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Post by beMMADfabulous on Jun 21, 2007 23:33:25 GMT -5
What triggers my optimism is when Minerva says "It's all my fault.", when Maggie Smith claims that she always thought that mcgonagall was in love with dumbledore, and just their interactions in general. Mmhm, I immediately thought there was significance in Minerva saying it was her fault when Albus died.. There was just something more that seemed to be there that I hope JK reveals to us in Deathly Hallows. Poor Minerva.. *sighs* She made me cry in that scene when she was blaming herself. I still don't think JK was saying Minerva isn't Albus's equal in the romantic sense; I think she meant magically, powerfully. What other professors would be married but would need to keep it a secret more than ALBUS and MINERVA?! It's always made perfect sense to me that they would perhaps need to hide their relationship from others because of their positions as Headmaster and Deputy, not even to mention because of Voldemort! How do you think Voldemort would most be able to hurt Dumbledore- the only wizard he ever feared? To hurt someone Dumbledore loved. Albus would never want the opportunity for Minerva to be hurt. He'd obviously want to protect her from that. I just hope JK realizes this. haha. And if she doesn't? OH WELL! Fanfiction is cheap therapy- we all know that. ;D |
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Post by MinervaMcGonagall on Jun 22, 2007 7:35:01 GMT -5
This quote does do a bit to disprove a relationship between the two but I can still hope. Even if they don't get together in the books, there is always the possibility as JKR can not put everything in the books. I will be really disappointed, however, if JKR pairs Minerva with someone else.
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Post by MMADfan on Jun 22, 2007 10:49:45 GMT -5
What triggers my optimism is when Minerva says "It's all my fault.", when Maggie Smith claims that she always thought that mcgonagall was in love with dumbledore, and just their interactions in general. Mmhm, I immediately thought there was significance in Minerva saying it was her fault when Albus died.. There was just something more that seemed to be there that I hope JK reveals to us in Deathly Hallows. Poor Minerva.. *sighs* She made me cry in that scene when she was blaming herself. I still don't think JK was saying Minerva isn't Albus's equal in the romantic sense; I think she meant magically, powerfully. What other professors would be married but would need to keep it a secret more than ALBUS and MINERVA?! It's always made perfect sense to me that they would perhaps need to hide their relationship from others because of their positions as Headmaster and Deputy, not even to mention because of Voldemort! How do you think Voldemort would most be able to hurt Dumbledore- the only wizard he ever feared? To hurt someone Dumbledore loved. Albus would never want the opportunity for Minerva to be hurt. He'd obviously want to protect her from that. I just hope JK realizes this. haha. And if she doesn't? OH WELL! Fanfiction is cheap therapy- we all know that. ;D If it turns out that MM said that (about it being her fault) because she was somehow involved with TR at some point in her life, I will throw the book away. And tear out the last few chapters of HBP, as well. *EDIT* I just re-read that part -- she said it because she had sent the students to get Snape, believing he could help and unaware that he had a different agenda. If she hadn't sent for Snape, she believes, Albus would be alive.*End Edit* However, I do think her reaction to his death lends credence to the notion that they're married. I also agree with the comment about what JKR meant about AD not having an equal -- one can have a love and life-companion who isn't one's "equal" in certain respects, and yet it can still be an equal partnership in terms of the relationship itself. He would still be isolated, in a sense, because having such power and responsibility would naturally be isolating, but the isolation would be eased by having love with a life-partner. |
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Post by beatabeatrix on Jun 24, 2007 15:56:09 GMT -5
Wow, interesting idea. Keep us informed.
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Post by beatabeatrix on Jun 24, 2007 15:58:51 GMT -5
However, I do think her reaction to his death lends credence to the notion that they're married. I also agree with the comment about what JKR meant about AD not having an equal -- one can have a love and life-companion who isn't one's "equal" in certain respects, and yet it can still be an equal partnership in terms of the relationship itself. He would still be isolated, in a sense, because having such power and responsibility would naturally be isolating, but the isolation would be eased by having love with a life-partner.[/quote]
I totally agree with this.
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Post by beatabeatrix on Jun 24, 2007 15:59:53 GMT -5
ok, there should be a quote,something didn't work  So I totally agree with MMADfan's post. |
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Post by alter.ego.alana on Jul 3, 2007 13:00:55 GMT -5
Maybe Albus and Minerva are SO good at keeping their relashionship a secret than not even JKR knows about it ;D This is perhaps the greatest thing I've ever read in my life! =) Albus and Minerva are together, whether JKR wants to admit it or not! ;D |
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Post by Drake on Jul 6, 2007 21:41:33 GMT -5
JKR: In fact, I would tend to think that being very, very intelligent might create some problems and it has done for Dumbledore, because his wisdom has isolated him, and I think you can see that in the books, because where is his equal, where is his confidante, where is his partner? He has none of those things. He’s always the one who gives, he’s always the one who has the insight and has the knowledge. So I think that, while I ask the reader to accept that McGonagall is a very worthy second in command, she is not an equal.This could be interpreted many ways, I'll give two: 1) JKR said that McGonagall is not an equal, and therefore the ship is doomed. Personally I think that's balderdash. I think: 2) JKR says, "Where is his equal, where is his confidante, where is his partner?" and then goes on to say, "[McGonagall] is not an equal." She gave three nouns and only used one- she said McGonagall is not an EQUAL. Where does she say that McG is not D's partner or confidante? Yes, she is not Dumbledore's equal. But I think this could very well be a hint that there is something going on between the two of them. She said he doesn't have any of those, but then why ask who is equal, confidante and partner are, and then only state that McGonagall is not his *equal*? Teehee. What do you think? I think I love you.  |
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Post by DaBao on Jul 13, 2007 22:08:44 GMT -5
Alesia, you just saved my day. I was getting rather depressed after reading that qoute but you saved me! yay for you!  I agree with EloquentPhoenix on one thing though (well, one MAJOR thing) I WILL GO DOWN WITH THIS SHIP! And if JKR decides not to tell us if Albus is married to Min, she's most likely just in denial.  Cammie I too, if need be, will go down with this ship. This is by FAR my favourite pairing in the world. I will not give it up, I will hope and forever wish. While our chances are slim, they're not dead until the seventh book comes out. |
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Post by misshoneychurch88 on Jul 13, 2007 22:34:34 GMT -5
I also think, regardless of hte quote, that having them be married would be a really good plot device type of thing. Harry is preparing to go at it alone, to try and figure this out all on his own because he feels somewhat isolated from everyone else, and doesn't really want anyone else to be hurt. But if it revealed that Dumbldore and Mcgonagall are married then it could open up Harry's eyes to the fact that, as Dumbledore has been saying all along, his ability to love and have friends separates him, and all those on the Order's side, from Voldemort. Like in the hospital wing, with Lupin and Tonks. It really does make a lot of sense.
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Post by Rachel on Jul 14, 2007 13:18:23 GMT -5
I was thinking the other day that to me her saying "This is all my fault" kind of gives it away.In everything I've ever read,if something bad happens to a character their husband/wife/partner always says "This is my fault..I should/shouldn't have done/said/ this..." Always.Every time.
JKR's always made the point that Albus is the most powerful good wizard in the world.So nobody could match him in that sense.
But also he's always placed massive emphasis on how important love is.It would be a bit odd to me if someone who placed that much emphasis on it wasn't married.
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Post by beatabeatrix on Jul 14, 2007 13:59:14 GMT -5
I was thinking the other day that to me her saying "This is all my fault" kind of gives it away.In everything I've ever read,if something bad happens to a character their husband/wife/partner always says "This is my fault..I should/shouldn't have done/said/ this..." Always.Every time. JKR's always made the point that Albus is the most powerful good wizard in the world.So nobody could match him in that sense. But also he's always placed massive emphasis on how important love is.It would be a bit odd to me if someone who placed that much emphasis on it wasn't married. I've just re-read the section. You may be right, although she had a good reason for felling like that, because she sent for Snape. Everybody would probably say the same thing. I certainly do hope they are married. But he could mean all sorts of love. When he spoke of love I always understood it in the biblical sense - “No one has greater love than this, to lay down one’s life to one’s friends." And that's what he did. |
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Post by Pingpongfreak on Jul 14, 2007 16:34:23 GMT -5
In my opinion, JKR has only created these characters accordingly to her books. That's what a ship is for...we fill in what might've been failed to mention in the books. Just because MMAD doesn't happen in the books doesn't mean that it never actually happened. That's the beauty of MMAD; it's neither denied or confirmed in any of the books, causing imaginations to run wild and possibilities to take flight in other works of fiction. Fanfiction, that is. And fanfiction is a world of it's own, enabling people to twist or tie a story into whatever they feel it could be. Besides, if MMAD actually did ever happen, that would be the end. With the completely unconfirmed state that it's in right now, it makes anything possible. And that's always more fun. A fictious ship never goes down. It's only the real-life pairings that sink. |
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Post by alter.ego.alana on Jul 14, 2007 17:27:32 GMT -5
In my opinion, JKR has only created these characters accordingly to her books. That's what a ship is for...we fill in what might've been failed to mention in the books. Just because MMAD doesn't happen in the books doesn't mean that it never actually happened. That's the beauty of MMAD; it's neither denied or confirmed in any of the books, causing imaginations to run wild and possibilities to take flight in other works of fiction. Fanfiction, that is. And fanfiction is a world of it's own, enabling people to twist or tie a story into whatever they feel it could be. Besides, if MMAD actually did ever happen, that would be the end. With the completely unconfirmed state that it's in right now, it makes anything possible. And that's always more fun. A fictious ship never goes down. It's only the real-life pairings that sink. fabulously written. =) |
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Post by pinnacle on Jul 14, 2007 19:27:52 GMT -5
I definitely agree with pingpongfreak here.
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Post by tabbycat on Jul 20, 2007 6:58:05 GMT -5
also, sometimes when two people are in love it can seem like you're both less than friends and more than friends at the same time. Minerva and Albus definitely fit that part, at least in my mind!
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Post by hpimperfections on Jul 20, 2007 10:18:55 GMT -5
Yes, we are. ES: Our other “Ask Jo” question (the one about James and Lily’s sacrifices), was from Maria Vlasiou, who is 25, of the Netherlands. And then the third is from Helen Poole, 18, from Thirsk, Yorkshire – also one of the “Plot Thickens” fan book authors. It’s the one about Grindelwald, which I’m sure you’ve been gearing up for us to ask.
JKR: Uh huh.
ES: Clearly -
JKR: Come on then, remind me. Is he dead?
ES: Yeah, is he dead?
JKR: Yeah, he is.
ES: Is he important?
JKR: [regretful] Ohhh...
ES: You don’t have to answer but can you give us some backstory on him?
JKR: I'm going to tell you as much as I told someone earlier who asked me. You know Owen who won the [UK television] competition to interview me? He asked about Grindelwald [pronounced "Grindelvald" HMM…]. He said, “Is it coincidence that he died in 1945,” and I said no. It amuses me to make allusions to things that were happening in the Muggle world, so my feeling would be that while there's a global Muggle war going on, there's also a global wizarding war going on.
ES: Does he have any connection to --
JKR: I have no comment to make on that subject.
[Laughter.]
MA: Do they feed each other, the Muggle and wizarding wars?
JKR: Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Mm.And we know Dumbledore killed him. So it ties together. Very interesting. I was looking for confirmation that JKR is going to have something about Grindelwald in Book 7 and this seems to be it. I have an idea about Grindelwald which may sound kinda crazy, but...Does anyone else think that Grindelwald and Hitler might be the same person? |
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Post by hpimperfections on Jul 20, 2007 10:24:35 GMT -5
Maybe Albus and Minerva are SO good at keeping their relashionship a secret than not even JKR knows about it ;D haha, Good answer! ;D What exactly does it really mean in this world to be an equal, anyways? Not everyone can be an equal on all levels. Dumbledore is one of the greatest wizards (and probably minds) of all the wizarding world. Of course McGonagall is not going to be portrayed in that way. It would be very difficult to get a female equal to Dumbledore. That probably makes no sense, but oh well! lol It actually makes a lot of sense. Fantasy literature (HP included) has a natural tendency to be quite sexist. I read somewhere that in fantasy lit the main male character is considered more powerful if he is alone and isolated. Read some other lit in this category (books by Dianna Wynne Jones, The Once and Future King, etc) and you can see how this pattern plays out. Often, falling victim to the human weakness of physical love is portrayed as a character flaw among male characters. While I don't think that JKR would view ADMM in this way, I do agree with you about it being difficult, if not impossible, to find a female equal for Dumbledore. |
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Post by hpimperfections on Jul 20, 2007 10:30:17 GMT -5
I think some people need to remember that there are more types of relationships than marriage. Sadly, in a lot of relationships the people involved aren't necessarily equals in intelligence or ability or anything like that. While I definitely don't see Albus and Minerva as one-night stand types, I don't see them as having a wholly complete and fulfilling relationship either. Maybe they are married, but they could simply have a relationship (romantic or platonic) where they are simply there for each other when they need someone.
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Post by tabbyphoenix on Jan 18, 2009 9:33:03 GMT -5
In my opinion, JKR has only created these characters accordingly to her books. That's what a ship is for...we fill in what might've been failed to mention in the books. Just because MMAD doesn't happen in the books doesn't mean that it never actually happened. That's the beauty of MMAD; it's neither denied or confirmed in any of the books, causing imaginations to run wild and possibilities to take flight in other works of fiction. Fanfiction, that is. And fanfiction is a world of it's own, enabling people to twist or tie a story into whatever they feel it could be. Besides, if MMAD actually did ever happen, that would be the end. With the completely unconfirmed state that it's in right now, it makes anything possible. And that's always more fun. A fictious ship never goes down. It's only the real-life pairings that sink. Pretty much summed up what I wanted to say.  When did JK say this? |
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Post by mercifulheavens on Jan 19, 2009 2:30:24 GMT -5
Thank you! Finally proof that Jk knows Albus and Minerva are married!!!! Personally I truly believe that Minerva is Albus' equal... he is not all powerful, or he would have been able to crush Voldemort But JK said that they were not equal and gave us hope by not saying that Minerva was not his (partner) and (confidante)!!!! Three cheers for the ADMM ship! It cannot be sunk!
((a couple does not need to be equal in intelligence, strength or beauty to be married))
mercifulheavens
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Post by minnie313 on Mar 15, 2010 9:56:19 GMT -5
Well... in lightof what JK said about Albus being gay... I'd say that Min couldn't (for JK) be with dear Albus...
BUT she hadn't specifically written down in any of the seven books "Albus Dumbledore is gay and NO, Minerva McGonagall ISN'T with him (romatically)"
PLUS once an author has published a book and it has been readand re-read and re-re-read and that people have made fics and re-fics and re-re-fics about it... the characters and the story don't belong to the author anymore... it belong ALSO to the readers
I will finish by saying: "ADMM-forever!!! long live the ship!!! and go away you who dare say it isn't"
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
It's a fair warning to the kiiiiiiiiind people who all tell me "but JK said Dumbledore is gay" and I say "so what?!" And I add that my friends and my uncle (1m80/ +/- 200 kg) are a bit afraid of my death glare and when I lose my temper !!! Fair warning to everyone who despises our ship and try to make me join them in the despising: I bite, sratch and yell...
nyark nyark nyark
MUHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHa.... JK prepare yourself: "I'm cooooomiiing!!!"
minnie313, the greatest torturer in the world because I'm soooo evil and sadist... lol
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Post by mistressquill on May 10, 2010 0:27:07 GMT -5
I think that JKR said this in a whole context and that the portion of that was taken out of context somehow. So, I think that she meant that Minerva could not be an equal to him as a wizard, not specifically as a person. And she wasn't talking relationship wise, either. So, I'm led to wonder what the original question was that she was answering. I wouldn't take this as Minerva wasn't good enough for him or anything. And it also doesn't shoot down our SHIP either, which is nice. I agree with Pingpongfreak's answer about us filling in with the MMAD SHIP. It's us creating out of a pre-written story what we wanted and romanticized to happen that ultimately did not occur for whatever reason. Even still, despite what happened in the books nothing is final for us because we keep writing even though Albus is long gone and so is Severus and a few others. But, we write them as though they never passed. But, I love most everyone's answers here. Nice thinking you guys. |
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Post by amandahleigh on Mar 7, 2011 18:27:33 GMT -5
I don't think the ship is doomed at all.
She may not be his equal, but that's okay. He can't (won't / doesn't) tell her about the horcruxes, but that doesn't mean he doesn't value her, nor does it mean that he can't love her. I have an ex who is a genius - a real, true, genuine genuis - and thugh I am highly intelligent and very creative, I know that we are not equals. However, I loved him very much, and though he felt the same about me, ultimately he isolated himself. He didn't tell me about his personal suffering, and ended up mentally ill and alone. In a way, this is what has happend with McG and D (in my personal opinion, anyway). There's love, but with her love comes additional admiration, and with his comes unfortunate isolation.
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Post by toridumbledore on Apr 12, 2012 20:30:07 GMT -5
I hate reading that. Because although I am hopeful for your second interpretation I am more inclined to think along the lines of the first on. Because he hasn't told her about the horcruxes. And yet I think she is obviously his confidante, they share a lot etc. As for partner. Quite honestly to myself only I accepted that this ship is doomed, because for all the moments there are counter non-moments. And also she does say Minerva isn't his partner or confidante because she says "He has none of those things." I'm unsure, my common sense tells me unspoken love at the most. But I will say this. I will go down with this ship, should it be necessary. Me and you both, eloquentphoenix! ;D |
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Post by missmmadmania on May 5, 2012 19:37:28 GMT -5
You know what? I don't care what JKR thinks. Maybe there's something about her books that she didn't figure out. Maybe she didn't mean for it to happen, but it happened anyway, and it is what it is. Who's with me!
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Post by minnie313 on Jul 22, 2012 12:30:13 GMT -5
I AM!!!! ;D It's the spirit of what I always thought ^^ !!!!! let's lead a fanfiction war against JKR!!! ;D
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So I totally agree with MMADfan's post.
When did JK say this? 
