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Post by Rikki on Dec 1, 2004 7:42:34 GMT -5
Perhaps we should wait for GoF where there's hopefully more of Minerva. I think Gambon didn't have much of a chance to interact with Mags... *sighs* But one more question: Could anyone enlighten me why we're talking about a love interest for Albus - other than Minerva - when we actually want those two together?  Hugs, Rikki |
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Post by max on Dec 1, 2004 7:49:42 GMT -5
Hello, Rikki, But one more question: Could anyone enlighten me why we're talking about a love interest for Albus - other than Minerva - when we actually want those two together? Perhaps because the story belongs to the author? I'm author of two series of books for young girls myself and sometimes it happens to me that readers write me things like "You have to get Marla and Yanick together" or "Why don't you make Sandro flirting with another girl and Kathie becoming jealous about? It would be soooo great!" As much as I feel honoured about my readers caring so much about my characters I nevertheless refuse absolutely to have them involved in the way I develop this characters. They're mine - and if I decide to split a couple or to make one of my characters fall in love with something my readers don't expect then the readers have to accept that (or to stay away from reading my books). I've made up this characters. I know them better as my readers do because I know their history (and I think in that I'm pretty alike to JKR. She seems to have a "biography" for every important character too) and the way they feel. As much as I like to play around with JKR's characters and as much as I make them "mine" sometimes in writing about them - I never forget that they belong to her. And if she decides to couple Albus with Sybil Trelawney ... well, I wouldn't like it very much, but she's the author and I'm the reader who has to respect her ownership at this characters. Yours Max |
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Post by max on Dec 1, 2004 7:53:18 GMT -5
 Well, I bought the dvd today and I couldn't have been *more* disapointed.
Same here. I can't stand the "new" Albus-look, I don't like how he treats Ron's injured leg, I wondered why Curazon thought it necessary to make all this changes and to forget so much explanations (why does Harry see a stag? What's about the Marauder's map?), I didn't like the werwolf (sorry, but it looked to me simply ridicilous), found some scenes too long (the hippogriff flying scene, the boggart scene with Snape as Neville's grandmother). For me PoA is the HP movie I like less. And I'm quite sure: If the next one will be so lousy as this, I won't buy another dvd. Yours Max |
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Post by Sensiblyquirky on Dec 1, 2004 8:30:40 GMT -5
Now I don't have the DVD yet, but I did see it a few times in the theater. To be honest I did not like the third movie. I saw no need for Hogwarts itself to change, or Dumbledore's robes. Just because you have a new actor doesn't mean Dumbledore the character should change, and indeed he did. Naturally, because Minerva is my favorite character, I was upset that Maggie Smith had such a small role in the movie. The director had this great talent, and didn't use it to even the tenth of its ability. I really hated the christmas dinner wasn't in there: Maggie Smith would have delivered those lines perfectly, and Emma Thompson was a great Trelawney. Something else that bothers me about Minerva's roles in the three movies is that, and feel free to give me all of ya'lls opinion on the matter, to me Minerva's role in the books increases with each one. The most involvement being the fifth book, but from one to five her role and her time in the books increases; and each time we see different sides to her. Now I think she could become very important in the last two books. JKR has said she is a "very, very powerful witch" but we haven't seen it, and even her animagus transformation has been demeened when Rita Skeeter could do it. If she is that powerful then we have to see that at some point. She could be the shocker in the next books, her role has grown but perhaps it has subtley. So if that is true we will see her character diminish, and then suddenly she's everywhere in a later movie should they choose to do them. Talk about they would have missed it, but I am biased. Sigh. I just love Minerva and Maggie Smith so I want to see more of them! As to Gambon's comments: assuming he has read the books not everyone sees AD/MM. All of my friends here at home do not see it, and just shake their heads at me. Further if he said that upon recieving the part then he had not been on set or talked to the director, and perhaps when that happened he realized.  Of course if he said that later, that gives me cause for concern because it would lead me to think Minerva is in love with him and he not with her and that would be beyond sad. Ok I'll stop rambling, Christy |
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Post by Rikki on Dec 1, 2004 9:41:34 GMT -5
Well, as far as Mags and Min are concerned I was really disappointed in the movie. I mean they have one of the most accomplished actresses of our time at their hands for that part - and they treat her like an extra. I mean, honestly... I really planned on doing some screenshots of Mags for our website but there's just nothing in it you could use. Either she's film through Harry's Invisibility Cloak or just too far away.  Really sad... Hugs, Rikki |
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Post by angharad on Dec 1, 2004 11:23:37 GMT -5
I don't think we should take what Michael Gambon said too seriously, especially when the "blonde" remark came so early in the proceedings. Sir Michael Gambon, in addition to being an actor who is capable of doing whatever a director asks, has a reputation for being a wag and a prankster. There are many stories about how he pulled Christina Ricci's leg in "Sleepy Hollow", and I believe he was in on the whoopee cushion prank that Alan Rickman pulled on Dan Radcliffe during the filming of the sleeping bag scene in PoA.
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Post by QuillofMinerva on Dec 1, 2004 12:58:36 GMT -5
I agree with what you say about Minerva's role in the books and the films.
A point is made that she survived something which not many others could have done at her age...this must be an indication that there is more to minerva than meets the eye
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Post by delenndumbledore on Dec 1, 2004 14:16:16 GMT -5
I don't think we should take what Michael Gambon said too seriously, especially when the "blonde" remark came so early in the proceedings. Sir Michael Gambon, in addition to being an actor who is capable of doing whatever a director asks, has a reputation for being a wag and a prankster. There are many stories about how he pulled Christina Ricci's leg in "Sleepy Hollow", and I believe he was in on the whoopee cushion prank that Alan Rickman pulled on Dan Radcliffe during the filming of the sleeping bag scene in PoA. Thank you Angharad for the information about Michael Gambon. In Germany he is an almost unknown actor. And my websearch wasn't very helpful. I've only found a short biography about him. Delenn Dumbledore  |
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Post by Mellypoo622 on Dec 1, 2004 16:12:56 GMT -5
I love the POA movie but I do hate Dumbledores 'New Style' I agree with what someone said earlier about how he is explained in the book is totally oppisite in the movie. I don't like how they have him dressed.. or that part in the hospital wing where he hits Ron's leg. He is Albus Dumbledore for gawds sake he knows everything! He would know if he was hitting Ron's leg. I like Dumbledore in the first 2 movies better. That is how I pictured him when I read the books.' I don't like how Min isn't in it much either  And the Marauder's Map not being explained. I felt that was something that should have defffinately been included! Overall I did like the movie though! I loved the Time-Turner at the end! Emma and Dan did a great job with that! As well as Ruppert with the rest of the movie. |
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Post by QuillofMinerva on Dec 1, 2004 17:07:04 GMT -5
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Post by Rikki on Dec 2, 2004 10:17:00 GMT -5
Yeah, well I most certainly won't miss the Dursley's...  But it's really a pity there won't be any Molly Weasley in it. But I'd say they will have to cut a lot - the book is really enormous. *g* Should re-read it soon, forgot about the finer details *sigh* Hugs, Rikki |
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Post by ginger newts on Dec 6, 2004 19:42:23 GMT -5
Sorry to revive a dead thread, but the other night I finally sat down and watched PoA all the way through as opposed to fast forwarding to the bits with Minerva in them and I noticed something that made me squee. Christy had mentioned to me that when Albus and Minerva are sitting at the Quidditch game (when Harry is falling through space not when they're standing at the rail like everyone originally thought) that she thought they were holding hands. When I first watched I didn't see it, but upon repeat viewing in normal speed (because you can't see it if you slow it down). Minerva totally has her hand in the crook of his arm!!! When they stand and he's raising his arm, he pauses for a second and you can sort of see that she's pulling her hand away. He almost makes a motion like shrugging her off, but I don't want to name it that because it sounds rude. I've just watched it about a million more times and it really looks like that's the way it is. So, they're sitting practically on top of each other and I *swear* she's got her hand looped through his arm. Squeeee!  Did anyone else see this? I know I'm not crazy. |
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Post by Sensiblyquirky on Dec 6, 2004 20:56:49 GMT -5
Pal, I love it when you confirm my theories!! I don't have the dvd as of yet, but when I get it I'll be sure to watch it and see. (sometimes i wonder if it is sad that we can get this excited...let's not think on it.)
CC
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Post by inthemiddleofnight on Dec 29, 2004 19:54:06 GMT -5
hi ok i have been reading the posts and was wondering when did Gambon make make that blonde remark? and i think i have read something thatjkr already has planned each character's bio and what will happen long before this, so i highly doubt it will make a different. oh and will Gambon be playing dumbledore for the next movie?  Jessica |
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Post by snowcat on May 31, 2005 2:21:29 GMT -5
my dad went to buy it whle me and mum were shopping and he came into the shop and said:
Sorry , they're all finiched and wont come back till next summer.
He watched me be horrafiingly disaponted and looking at things like I wanted to destroy them and then he pulled out the disk. I thougt the extras were fine.
Min with her hair down, and the quiddich sene just made my day.
hugs,
Elísabet x
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Post by snowcat on May 31, 2005 2:33:06 GMT -5
I did not like Gambon at all.
He just waasint Albus, I hope he does not play him inthe next.
Dirty fingernails, jukk.
And that new look to tekk the truth I HATED it.
If the cut Tabby out of the next film.....
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Post by Catwoman99 on May 31, 2005 9:21:59 GMT -5
I'm afraid we're stuck with him. He's definitely in GoF and I believe he's signed on for OotP too. I don't care for him too much either. When I read the books, I hear Richard Harris' voice as Dumbledore. :-)
- April :-)
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Post by Herzele on May 31, 2005 10:25:23 GMT -5
Absolutely ...
When he died I always thought they should ask Ian McKellen, because I think he did a very good job as Gandalf in "Lord of the rings" and I think his interaction with Maggie would maybe be better than Gambon's ... I like Michael Gambon a lot in "Gosford Park", but as Albus - the way he behaved and was dressed in the third movie, anyway - I don't really like him ... I mean, it's not his fault we all picture Richard Harris as Albus, but I, too, think Cuaron shouldn't have changed so much ...
Oh, and I definitely hope there'll be more of Minerva in the next movies !
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Post by tayryn on May 31, 2005 17:49:34 GMT -5
I swore I wasn't going to do this... but in the end, I guess I just couldn't help myself... (and I blame Jaya for prodding me!)
First - the thing with Minerva's hand/arm on Albus'... I watched the scene in question... on zoom... in slo-mo, and did not see it. Yes there is that scene when Harry zips by them where they are standing next to each other, but there is no touching between them. And when Harry is falling, Minerva is just behind Albus to his right, with her hand over her mouth, watching as Harry careens towards the ground, so she wasn't touching him there either. (unless she's grabbing his ass behind the bulk of the robes)
Now... I freely admit that I could have missed it... it's been said it's hard to see... and I know I was tickled the first time I saw them standing together... so if you want to specify the scene, I'll take the DVD upstairs, and play it on the 62" inch TV, with zoom and in slo-mo...
Second... the Michael Gambon issue. No, he's not Richard Harris. He does not have the presence Harris had... however all things considered... the shoes he had to step in to... he did an admirable job. It can't have been easy for him to have to play Dumbledore, knowing what a fantastic job Harris had done.
I too wasn't impressed with the change in the hair, beard and robes. But those were probably more to do with the director, and the costume people than with Michael. (I say probably, as I am honest enough to admit that I don't know for sure)
I think that if the hair, beard and robes had been left like they were for Harris, that we'd all be quite happy with Gambon's Albus. Although, I have to admit to liking Harris' raspy voice better...
Just my two knuts worth...
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Post by Jaya on May 31, 2005 17:54:28 GMT -5
Two comments... #1... Huh? What? Me prod? ? #2... in regard to "And when Harry is falling, Minerva is just behind Albus to his right, with her hand over her mouth, watching as Harry careens towards the ground, so she wasn't touching him there either. (unless she's grabbing his ass behind the bulk of the robes)"... perhaps Albus has a trap door in his robes!!!!!! ;D Jaya  |
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Post by tayryn on May 31, 2005 17:58:58 GMT -5
oooh, I forgot... duh... in that scene... did anyone notice that Minerva is wearing gloves?? Black ones, to be specific!
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Post by snowcat on Jun 2, 2005 2:17:57 GMT -5
Cool gloves! *Goes over to best friend and demands to get the dvd disk back at 8:00 in the morning* Curses herself for not seeing all the goodness of AD/MM in the movie. |
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Post by LadyJolly on Jun 2, 2005 23:15:27 GMT -5
I have to agree with all of you. Gambon is no Harris but I find Albus's character now really changed and I wish they hadn't changed it. I first notice this watching my first time of PoA and I was totally WTF ok more like WTH ehhhehe and he seemed well not sure how to describe it but let's say a person who's trying to freak young children in a sense. or not calm and so different.
I'm excited to watch GoF because there's going to be dragons and that just has to look good. But I won't be too glad to watch it since they have change some of Albus's characteristics
Lady Jolly
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Post by tabbylvr77 on Jun 23, 2005 22:48:02 GMT -5
Well, sorry to intrude, but I have the dvd and special features and stuff and I have been reading this topic for a while , thinking about what all you guys have said about the 'new' Albus and Maggie not having much time in the movie and all and I agree, Maggie is a SPECTACULAR actress and I can NOT believe that they don't realize it!! I am sorry for saying this, but I don't like the new directors choices for certain things in POA! I have to say the visual effects were marvelous and all but.. *flustered* I cant explain how much I want Albus and Minerva together!! I don't know how to put in words how much I am disappointed in the 'new' Albus!! I totally and completely didn't like him the first time I saw him in the movie!! I cant explain why but I just didn't see that *twinkle*!! I miss the *twinkle*!! I also LOVE Richard Harris as Dumbledore and I miss him sssssooooo much!! I think he was perfect for Albus!! WWAAAA!! I know you all are going to probably disagree with me on this one but POA was definitely the worst one yet. Rae P.S. I cant WAIT for OOTP the movie to come out!!! Aren't all of you excited to see how they show the Minerva/Stunner scene!! I am!! I am so certain that Maggie is going to be AWESOME in that movie!! YAY!! |
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Post by snowcat on Jun 24, 2005 5:59:37 GMT -5
I agree. When I first saw him in the trailer I growled. and I hated him at the sec, I just knew he would not be like Harris. I miss the twinkle.
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Post by Alesia on Jun 24, 2005 13:53:40 GMT -5
I blame a huge number of our issues with POA on the director. Why would anyone change the costuming of an actor when you want to make the change as seamless as possible? But I have issues with how he changed the layout of Hogwarts as well.
I was sad to see they didn't make some of the corrections to Gambon's Albus in the GoF trailers either. I am hoping he has gotten into the character more. He almost seemed unfamiliar with what he was doing in PoA. (In fact Gambon is a remarkably Albus like in "Being Julia" - made in 2004, which I found quite amusing.) I have watched the GoF tailer and it looks as they have given him blue contacts for the next move - thank goodness. Hopefully we will get the twinkle as well.
BTW if you have the PoA DVD go look at the deleted scenes. The scene with Minerva in the Common room is excellent. Again bad director's choice to cut that scene. <sigh> cross your collective fingers GoF is better. I worry about OotP because of the length. (And Robbie Coltrain better get a grip and comeback as Hagrid or we may lose the stunner scene all together)
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Post by Herzele on Jun 24, 2005 16:08:33 GMT -5
I so hope he will stay on as Hagrid !! Something would be missing without him ...
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Post by tabbylvr77 on Jun 26, 2005 20:06:19 GMT -5
OMFG!! If Hagrid doesnt come back and the stunning scene is taken out... I am goin to protest! I will not, WILL NOT, watch a movie or anything else Harry Potter, if they cut that part out!! That will totally ruin the relationship between movie and book!! Also, for some reason, my computer doesnt play the trailer for GoF!! And again, rumor has it that Minerva and.... Snape.... do the tango in this movie. I dont know where it came from cuz I dont remember it in the book, but that is just what I heard. *crosses fingers hoping that it is Albus*
Rae
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Post by Alesia on Jun 26, 2005 20:41:13 GMT -5
I have seen the trailer and there is no dancing with the professors that I have seen. Nor I have I read any rumor about Snape and Minerva doing the tango. That would be incrediably out of canon and since they had to fight for every inch of time with plot I can't image they would put in something like that, but I don't know. I really hope not. All I was hoping for was a quick background shot of Albus and Minerva dancing.
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Of course if he said that later, that gives me cause for concern because it would lead me to think Minerva is in love with him and he not with her and that would be beyond sad. 
Really sad...
But it's really a pity there won't be any Molly Weasley in it.
