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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Dec 27, 2006 15:23:26 GMT -5
Buggered?
Because they are, poor things, they'll never get to read HP or grow up, or have lives/minds of their own.
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Post by childminerva on Dec 27, 2006 15:26:45 GMT -5
They will recieve such a culture shock when they leave home, if they ever leave home that is. They'll either rebel and deliberately do crazy stuff or become just like their mom. *shudders*
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Post by ιady ταвz on Dec 27, 2006 17:49:28 GMT -5
yea, they might as well be living similar to the Amish or something...not picking on them btw, just saying...
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Post by StormAngel on Dec 27, 2006 18:00:25 GMT -5
sigh... why can't these people try to understand?
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Post by DaBao on Dec 29, 2006 3:16:07 GMT -5
Hey, it's the Mallory lady that was voted Idiot of the Year on mugglenet.com!
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Post by StormAngel on Dec 29, 2006 3:32:18 GMT -5
what?!? you mean that mean lady??? yay!!!! *jumps in joy*
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Post by DaBao on Dec 29, 2006 3:49:17 GMT -5
Yeah! It's that mean lady!
I'll bet she hasn't read the books. How can she judge? The people who challange books like HP are the ones who've never read them, and only want them removed because of some rumour or how they were represented by haters.
Did you know that this one... church? I don't remember but it was this Anti-Harry Potter group... but they BOUGHT a LOT of the 6th Harry Potter book when it came out and you know what they did? They BURNED piles and piles of the books to represent the burning of witches. Buying the books and burning them isn't going to do anything, they're HELPING Madame Rowling profit, and it's a waste of a great book series. It's silly to deplete their funds and assets like that.
(I'm now a prefect!!!)
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Post by childminerva on Dec 29, 2006 14:41:08 GMT -5
That's what I find so amusing about the book burning thing...they have to buy the books in order to burn them.
Funny, huh?
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Post by DaBao on Dec 29, 2006 22:46:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I found their logic to be flawed. They're BUYING the piles and piles of books, which are contributing to Madame Rowling's profit. How is that helping them? It's helping her, the person that they're against because she created the books.
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Post by jayejaye on Dec 30, 2006 14:37:38 GMT -5
Yep it's not Jo's books they burnt...its their own. But that just about sums up their inteligence in my opinion.
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Post by StormAngel on Dec 30, 2006 22:55:08 GMT -5
lol... what a waste of money. buy a book, burn a book... lolx. I don't see the logic in that.
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Post by DaBao on Dec 31, 2006 2:41:19 GMT -5
Absolutely, it's just idiotic. I don't want to offend their intelligence, but that is pointless to their 'cause' (if you can all it that).
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Post by jayejaye on Dec 31, 2006 5:53:03 GMT -5
hmmm, perhaps inteligence was the wrong word there....I was very tired at the time.
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Post by Drake on Jan 9, 2007 18:17:10 GMT -5
Aw, pshaw! I'm a Christian myself, and I am sooo embarrassed every time I read an article like that. Besides, anyone with half a brain can tell that the books were based off of the cartoon witches, like the Wicked Witch of the West, not Satanists or Wiccans or Druids or any of those other things.  But I don't think you should judge her too harshly, there are some very obscure references to actual witchcraft in some places. I'm pretty sure that's coincedental, though. Again, |
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Post by angeldust on Jan 9, 2007 18:32:46 GMT -5
'They BURNED piles and piles of the books to represent the burning of witches'
Gosh that really made me laugh! I fully agree they had to buy the books in the first place (bet JK was happy with that little gain), release those lovely CO2 fumes and they symbolized burning witches? When apparently one of the main flaws of the book is because it's based around murder? definitely some flawed logic there.
I'm pagan myself (lets give some opinions from the opposite side of the spectrum) and the woman obviously doesn't know a single thing she's talking about! There are very few references to wicca and paganism in the book and infarct theres a hell of a lot more to Christianity!
All children's books have a dark atmosphere, has the women ever read a children's book!
Alice in wonderland - a small girl totally lost all alone
Winnie the pooh - Manic depressive Eeyore and a honey addict, piglets totally paranoid, rabbits OCD
Cinderella - A girl who's father dies and is abused by her step sisters
And don't even get me started on some of the old Christian stories like 'the red shoes' in which the girl puts on a pair of shoes and dances and because she was so busy dancing she forgot to go to church on a Sunday and the shoes forever made her dance until she begged a Axe men to cut her feet off!! (I imagine this woman reading such a story to her poor little children)
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Post by Drake on Jan 9, 2007 18:43:17 GMT -5
LOL! Yeah, I have to say, I despise some of those old Puritan stories... "GO TO CHURCH OR GO TO HELL, O, YE SINFUL SCUM!" Yeah, that's exactly the same message Jesus taught... Some of these people honestly remind me of the Pharisees. They think Christianity is all rules, when in fact, there are hardly any rules at all. Only ten, actually.  |
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Jan 14, 2007 17:51:27 GMT -5
But I don't think you should judge her too harshly, there are some very obscure references to actual witchcraft in some places. I'm pretty sure that's coincedental, though. Again, Can you point me to some, I'm a bit clueless about witchcraft and what it actually is. Futhermore, not that Mallory would have read these parts since the books are too long apparantly , do these references promote witchcraft at all? And, whilst we're all discussing it, I'll give a view from an atheist side. It's not that what she says is wrong that bothers me so much, it's that she implies to be pagan/wicca is wrong. Her religion is not right over any other because no one actually knows who is right. She's just so out of order to say books should be banned because they promote another religion to hers. Hell, she's the reason that I, on some levels, detest religion. Because for every person who believes because they do there's some stupid nut who lords their opinion everywhere like the word of their God is law to everyone. And God forbid something doesn't follow their religion. What right has she to say it shouldn't promote witchcraft, despite the fact that it doesn't do so. /rant. Sorry, as you might tell, I have serious problems with religion for a lot of reasons. Don't take this the wrong way, anyone, I don't have problems with the people (except her) and I completely respect everyone's religion and their right to choose and follow it. Because I have common sense and respect others, including myself. Just, grrr, she makes me so angry. Stupid cow. |
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Post by Drake on Jan 18, 2007 18:43:13 GMT -5
I think the lightning bolt was, at one time, used as a symbol for Satanism or something like that, and Harry's got a lightning bolt on his forehead. But anyone who sees any special significance there obviously never bought a pair of sneakers.  Also one of the doctrines of Wicca (I think) is that you can do whatever you want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone, and that appears to be Harry's philosophy on rule-breaking. Again, nothing valid. He's a teenager at boarding school. Show me one teenager at boarding school that DOESN'T sneak out past hours. So as I said, obscure and not really valid... but still there. And I read one of the Anti-HP books, they actually have read the books, and believe JKR is promoting witchcraft either on accident or trying to do it subconsciously. Utter nonsense, of course, but I see where they're coming from on a lot of it. Truly, they aren't as crazy as these articles make them sound. Don't kill me, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. |
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Jan 19, 2007 17:00:46 GMT -5
Can I hurt you for being Devil's Advocate?  Joking... So. I'd like to ask these head cases (not very PC I know, but neither do I care. Yes I'm on one today. Again) how vague things that have similarities to witchcraft/wiccan/pagan rituals/beliefs compare to how Christmas etc is used in the books. So nothing's valid at all, from what I can see. Don't think I make myself buy one of those books, but maybe a library visit is in order to see what it is. Nothing will make me see them less crazy though, they think subconcious or accidental references to witchcraft make them anti-Christian, despite obvious references to Christianity. I can't see where their coming from, there are symbols and references to everything everywhere! I just, I despair, I really do. |
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Post by Drake on Jan 19, 2007 19:58:45 GMT -5
I know. It's sad. But many of my closest friends, as well as my grandfather, are said "Head cases," so I try to stick up for them a little. My Head cases aren't stupid enough to buy a ton of books and burn them, of course, but they still hate HP.  Their loss, really but we value our relationships more than being right about the possible Satanistic qualities of some children's book, so we agree to disagree. Which really, is what Ms. Mallory should do: put her relationship with her kids before her crazy crusade. She says she's doing it for them, right? If she feels that strongly about HP, she can explain to her kids why she feels that way, tell them she hopes they won't chose to read the books, and tell them she's only doing that because she loves them and then drop it. She has no business trying to tell everyone else's children what they should do! |
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Jan 21, 2007 14:15:46 GMT -5
Sorry  See, this is why I didn't say any of this before, because I don't know who I might offend on here. I'm much too opinionated. I was too harsh before. I still think they're a bit... yes. Well, for thinking there are any real references to witchcraft whne there clearly isn't. But I have a lot more respect (okay any respect at all) for those that just keep quiet about it. Fair enough, they're entitled to their opinion even it is completely illogical. I'm sorry, I don't think your friends or grand father are head cases, not really anyway. |
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Post by Drake on Jan 21, 2007 21:17:02 GMT -5
Oh, it's okay, I'm not offended, everyone is entitled to their opinion! Free will, and all that jazz. |
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Jan 22, 2007 2:48:22 GMT -5
Indeed. Gdgd |
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Post by lemonygingersnaps on Jan 24, 2007 21:56:57 GMT -5
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Post by StormAngel on Jan 24, 2007 23:03:46 GMT -5
wow. I have to get this boook |
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Post by Drake on Jan 25, 2007 18:54:41 GMT -5
I've read that one too, actually. It's very good.
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x
Joking...
