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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Jun 27, 2006 12:07:53 GMT -5
In PS/SS film when Minerva turns from a cat back to her human form and tells off Harry and Ron for being late, does that actually happen? Because I can't seem to find it in the book. I'd be grateful if anyone who knows can point me to a chapter or page number if they have the british paperback version. Thanks
Amy, who is hoping she just missed the scene since she really doesn't need another reason to hate the films
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Post by ravenhaired on Jun 27, 2006 13:38:11 GMT -5
I don't think that happened in the books. Just invented by Warner Bros.
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Jun 27, 2006 14:09:17 GMT -5
*Takes a deep breath* *Screams in pure frustration* Well, I would but I don't think my parents would like that. It's been so long since i read the books themselves between reading, writing and RL. *le sigh* Stupid stupid films. Thanks  |
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Post by mcgonagallrocks on Jun 27, 2006 20:43:52 GMT -5
She didn't Min just turned her desk into a pig and back in the book. The only time she transformed into Tabby was during the first chapter right before she was talking to Albus. *blushes* I have almost the whole book memorized.
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Post by littlemorgsi on Jun 28, 2006 1:33:42 GMT -5
There wasn't even a mention of them being late for transfiguration in the book and as mcgonagallrocks said, she transfigures her desk into a pig, which she didn't do in the movie.
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Jun 28, 2006 3:27:42 GMT -5
See, the films are that bad that I have to block out everything that they do wrong.
Thanks guys, least I know I haven't lost it. I got the desk/pig thing.
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Post by Jessabelle on Jun 28, 2006 15:48:29 GMT -5
What version of Harry Potter does the desk transformation take place in?
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Jun 28, 2006 16:03:18 GMT -5
I have british paperback, and it's in there on page... *ooh it's paperclipped ;D*100 which is close to the beginning of Chapter 8 - The Potions Master if that is more helpful.
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Post by emeraldeyes on Jun 28, 2006 20:43:02 GMT -5
I've read it in the American Version (?!) I'm pretty sure.. Yes, I hate how the books are so inaccurate.. I've decided not to go back and read the book before the movie comes out. Too much disappointment.  |
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Post by mcgonagallrocks on Jun 28, 2006 21:49:30 GMT -5
It's in the American hard back page 134 second paragraph.
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Transfiguration is some of the most complex and dangerous magic you will learn at Hogwarts,." she said. "Anyone messing around in my class will leave and not come back. You have been warned."
Then she changed her desk into a pig and back. They all very impressed and couldn’t wait to get started, but soon realized they weren’t going to be changing the furniture into animals for a long time.
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Jun 29, 2006 6:06:51 GMT -5
I've read it in the American Version (?!) I'm pretty sure.. Yes, I hate how the books are so inaccurate.. I've decided not to go back and read the book before the movie comes out. Too much disappointment. Do you mean how the films are inaccurate? Because they are, they're evil. |
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Post by ravenhaired on Jul 1, 2006 15:09:07 GMT -5
I found the first few films exceptionally bad...I think they've got better as the films have went on, even though they've departed from the book in lines and scenes.
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Jul 1, 2006 15:22:55 GMT -5
PoA is the worst, it's shockingly bad as a film, it makes no sense. Meh I hate them all.
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Post by beMMADfabulous on Jul 1, 2006 17:09:54 GMT -5
I like the movies only when I don't compare them to the books. ;D lol
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Post by ravenhaired on Jul 2, 2006 14:21:36 GMT -5
I thought the last one was the best
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Post by avadagypsy on Jul 12, 2006 23:59:20 GMT -5
I like the movies only when I don't compare them to the books. ;D lol I agree wholeheartedly! I enjoy watching the movies, for the movies, but have learnt not to expect great things from them. Of course it must be so hard to try and cram every bit of Jo Rowlings story into a few 2 hour movies, and I admire the film makers for what they have created but....it just really sometimes gets to me when they just leave stuff out. Small little details are fine, but whe they just go and forget about the whole Marauders storyline in PoA or when they have Dumbledore begin his speech with "ETERNAL GLORY" rather than something more classic to Dumbledore (Nitwit, Oddment Blubber, Tweak?) in GoF. Thats probably just a side effect of me being a maniac Potter Head! I really am very nervous about how they are dealing with OotP. There are some very powerful scenes in there (mostly with dumbledore!) and I'm just praying that they do them justice! Oh, and just for interests sake, I think the first time we see Minerva do her Tabby transformation for the class is in PoA right after the first Divination lesson, where Trelawny predicts Harry's death. From memory, Minerva transforms, and then says something along the lines of "Not that it matters, but that is the first time my transforming hasn't gotten applause from a class. What's going on?" And then the kids proceed to explain about Trewlawny's predictions, and then Minerva goes into her spiel about her 'thoughts' on Divination. Very funny!!! K. Thats all from me! ;D |
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Jul 13, 2006 3:11:30 GMT -5
Don't hold your breath...
I hate when they make things up, missing out small things I can deal with, making up their own story I cannot. If they want it to go how they want they shouldn't base it upon a book.
And with Michael Gambon as Dumbledore I shudder to think what's going to happen and be wrong and awful in OotP and HBP which I know they'll ruin.
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Post by minniebumblebee on Jul 13, 2006 14:11:13 GMT -5
Uh again I'm in the dark... This Michael Gamban guy-
Daisuke: Gambon!!
Fine,this Gambon person..is he a bad actor? I know he played Dumbledore in the last two movies but I'm wondering how he or they can mess this up...
Confused as usual,
Riku ;D
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Jul 13, 2006 16:24:05 GMT -5
In my opinion he messed the last two up tragically, and I can't see how the next one will be any different. So I'm just worried abotu how he'll muck it all up again and be so unDumbledoreish.
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Post by minniebumblebee on Jul 13, 2006 18:14:56 GMT -5
Oh that makes sense, he's unDombledoreish because he dosen't seem..er happy go lucky yes? Thats how it seems to me...
No longer confused,
Riku
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Post by avadagypsy on Jul 13, 2006 19:41:22 GMT -5
Oh that makes sense, he's unDombledoreish because he dosen't seem..er happy go lucky yes? Thats how it seems to me... No longer confused, Riku Exactly. Especially in the last movie, he was just "angry Dumbledore" the whole time, and that is NOT how Dumbledore really is! I think by him portraying Dumbledore like that in the last two movies it is going to take away from the performances in OotP and HBP that SHOULD be very powerful. Dumbledore is usually this happy-go-lucky guy in the books, and when he get angry, you know that something is not right. But in the movie, you just don't see that. Hmm.... It doesn't help that Gambon comes out with all these interviews proudly saying hat he has never read the books, and doesn't find it relevent for his performance. He just turns up on the day and trys to understand whats going on. (I'm pretty sure he said that in humor, but still, it doesn't make a great impression in my opinion!) OK, thats my rant for today! |
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Jul 14, 2006 1:43:29 GMT -5
The problem is that Dumbledore's angry is more of a cold fury, and Gambon not only grasps Dumbledore's anger at the wrong time but also completely the wrong way.
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Post by littlemorgsi on Jul 14, 2006 3:51:12 GMT -5
I read in an interview with Gambon that he never tries to act like Dumbledore, just like himself, and that he does that with all his parts. When you think about it, that explains a lot.
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Post by minniebumblebee on Jul 14, 2006 15:19:21 GMT -5
So does that mean he doesn't care for the part of Dumbledore? Just act like himself and almost ruin the whole Dumbledore roll? I read the same interview about him just being himself and I don't know, I guess thats O.K. Truthfully I don't think in OOTP and HBP he'll change. I always imagined Dumbledore being angry was rare... but almost every time you see him act, he's angry/furious! I am once again confused beyond all reason.
Trying not to go off into a rant,
Riku
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Post by beMMADfabulous on Jul 16, 2006 20:44:45 GMT -5
*grr* I can't stand Michael Gambon as Dumbledore! Especially in the GoF after the scene where Harry was chosen to be a competitor in the Triwizard Tournament. Remember how Gambon's character grabbed Harry and shook him and demanded that he tell him if he put his name in the Goblet of Fire? Hmm... seems to me that the book says Dumbledore was very calm about the situation. Oh, so many more complaints... |
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Post by ravenhaired on Jul 19, 2006 11:22:31 GMT -5
Actually, I prefer Michael Gambon to Richard Harris! I think Gambon plays Dumbledore a lot more energetically than Harris did...better suits my perception of the character.
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Post by minniebumblebee on Jul 19, 2006 12:09:00 GMT -5
You have a point, its so strange. Gamban-
Daisuke:Gambon! God get it right!
Sorry I mean Gambon is a bit more energetic than Harris ever was. But Mr. Harris captured Dumbledore's calmness. I'm starting to think Gambon isn't a very calm person at all...
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Post by prodigyviolin101 on Jul 19, 2006 12:31:20 GMT -5
Richard Harris was suffering from a diease that probably sapped alot of his energy. *Hodgkins Diease* so I think that he did quite well considering his condition. I think both actors portray Dumbledor just fine.
It seems that Harris did bring a more fatherly quality to his character though.
As has already been mentioned I must say I was shocked at Gambon's reaction with Harry about the Triwizard tournament. I don't think Harris would have chosen to do that if the director hadn't absolutely insisted upon it.
That was the part of the movie that I really didn't enjoy. *sighs* Contradicting my previous statement, I prefered Richard Harris.
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Post by gmshed on Jul 19, 2006 14:14:34 GMT -5
I do agree that Harris portrayed Dumbledore more as a eccentric grandfather, one of my very favourite moments from the films is the bit at the end of PS- 'Alas. Earwax.' That moment was portrayed exactly as I imagined it. And I also agree that the idea of Dumbledore shaking Harry is very OOC. In OotP, when Umbridge shakes Marietta Edgecombe, "A split second later Dumbledore was on his feet, his wand raised" and he says"'I cannot allow you to manhandle my students, Dolores'...for the first time he looked angry." There is a very obvious deviation between this Dumbledore and the Dumbledore who shakes Harry and demands answers.
And Hodgkins Disease is a cancer of the lymph nodes. It's usually treated in the same way as most cancers, with chemotherapy. So any ill effects usually associated with cancer and chemotherapy are likely to affect the patient. My granddad died of it in 2001.
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Post by beMMADfabulous on Jul 19, 2006 16:09:42 GMT -5
*sniffs* I adored Richard Harris as Dumbledore.
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