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Post by Sensiblyquirky on Jul 17, 2005 7:24:21 GMT -5
Ok I'm actually at a conference, but I want to know if anyone thinks we will see Minerva in the seventh book? As for most of us she is my favorite character, and I'm beginning to believe book 5 was her highlight moment and now it is over. does anyone else agree, or discuss at will. I could talk about it for hours.  Christy |
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Post by Herzele on Jul 17, 2005 7:37:54 GMT -5
I sure hope we will see her in book 7 !!! She really is my favourite character and I so hope JK Rowling will write something about her !! But I've got this little suspicion that we won't see a lot of her in the last book ... If we're lucky maybe a little bit ...
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Post by foci on Jul 17, 2005 9:11:31 GMT -5
I don't know. I felt that JKR let us down Minerva-wise in HBP. She wasn't ooc, now, but she was paler in comparison to Ootp.
But remember that Auror comment in OotP?
In HBP, Albus was in the foreground, maybe it's her time again in book7! When you look at book 6 alone, you get different answers for your questions than if you look at books 1-6. There is just no point of Minerva promising Harry to help him become an Auror (unless she convinced Albus to give the DADA job to Severus), to give her a personality, if she doesn't have a role later. Ginny flourished in Ootp, and she became important for Harry in HBP.
And we still haven't learned which of the teachers have been married. One of the reasons I felt so sad when reading HBP was, that there was plenty of opportunity for learning the truth about ADMM, but we didn't. (sighs heavily) I still can't imagine the marriage of any other teacher than Snape, Albus and Minerva influencing the plot.
Of course, Minerva had to be composed... so maybe, we will learn the truth at the beginning of book 7. JKR has a way of throwing random information at us at the beginning of her books.
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Post by emeraldeyes on Jul 17, 2005 12:44:23 GMT -5
i really, really hope min will be in book 7!! but..as new headmistress (yay and tear) she has to be, doesn't she??  I really hope she is..maybe you're right. Albus was the focus in this book, that's obvious. And Ginny did come out in OotP..maybe. We can only hope.  **kate** |
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Post by Sensiblyquirky on Jul 17, 2005 14:20:02 GMT -5
I agree Foci there were numerous chances for the AD/MM to come out and it did not. One reason I started this was because I hated the way Minerva was treated in HBP. Transfiguration class was mentioned at most three times in passing, never once were we in the class. And each time she spoke, minus the very end, it was like well we should use her here b/c we need to remember she is at the school. Her role was so minor it made me sad. Well, to emeraldeyes, normally her being Headmistress would make it she is in book seven but Harry seemed to have no intentions of returning to Hogwarts. His journey will lead him to other places, and there won't be time for school. Further when I mean in book seven I mean to see a character with personality and development not a mentioning of a name. So she could be in the last book with 'mcgonagall' thrown around but that isn't what i want. Also I'm clinging to the hope that before he left, like earlier in the day, they made passionate love had unbelievable kisses and she was sorta expecting it and was composed as she had to be. (could be a story someone should write) I hope she was laying low this one, and bam she's back next one but who knows now. I never thought she'd kill Dumbledore till the last book....can we say I was wrong. Christy |
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Post by Herzele on Jul 17, 2005 15:40:07 GMT -5
Same here ... I never would have expected that ...
And exactly Harry's intention not to return to Hogwarts is why I'm worried we might see practically nothing of Min in the last book ...
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Post by Sensiblyquirky on Jul 17, 2005 16:34:16 GMT -5
haha ok I thought of something else in response to Foci. I agree completely with your book 1-6 outlook. That is what upset me. Minerva developed so much in OOTP, as did Neville and then Luna. These characters come more to life, and then not to be treated in book six. McGonagall became less than she ever had before: just the professor. Perhaps minus the one quidditch scene, and the end any professor could have said any of her other lines or been inserted where her name was. I just didn't understand why characters, esp. a rocking one like her, were stalled in their devleopment or scaled back.
She just faded in the book, and it made no sense to me. SIGH.
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Post by foci on Jul 17, 2005 16:45:10 GMT -5
I'm back...with a thought.
What if the marriage JKR referred to is indeed ADMM? Let's imagine Min knows everything except that Snape killed Albus on Albus' orders (see rogueinker's and my post in the other thread) and where they went that last night. Then, she could accompany Harry, help him, even if he doesn't return to school.
I'm half agitated, because part of book 6 is extremely fanficcish (is that a word?). The other 50% is, that either there will be huge revelations in book 7 or JKR laid some clues to her own pleasure.
It's hard to decide whether I overlook stuff because I'm so upset about the fanfic style.
BTW, I think I have an inkling about what may happen in book 7... but it involves two other theories about Snape that many people would find boring... Christy, send me a PM if you are curious! I don't want to bore to death others.
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Post by Pyewacket on Jul 17, 2005 19:40:29 GMT -5
I was definitely disappointed in the lack of Minerva in this book. There definitely were moments a relationship could have been mentioned with Albus and wasn't.
There was that moment in the hospital wing when she had to sit down. Oh well...
As for book 7, I think there's as likely a chance as not that she could play an important role. At the moment, I don't think I can accurately predict what JKR will do. I really though Dubmledore wouldn't die in this one, and she had me believing in Snape as much as he did.
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Post by Mellypoo622 on Jul 17, 2005 20:36:02 GMT -5
I'm back...with a thought. What if the marriage JKR referred to is indeed ADMM? Let's imagine Min knows everything except that Snape killed Albus on Albus' orders (see rogueinker's and my post in the other thread) and where they went that last night. Then, she could accompany Harry, help him, even if he doesn't return to school. I'm half agitated, because part of book 6 is extremely fanficcish (is that a word?). The other 50% is, that either there will be huge revelations in book 7 or JKR laid some clues to her own pleasure. It's hard to decide whether I overlook stuff because I'm so upset about the fanfic style. BTW, I think I have an inkling about what may happen in book 7... but it involves two other theories about Snape that many people would find boring... Christy, send me a PM if you are curious! I don't want to bore to death others. I totally agree with you about the fanfic style. I just put a post like this in the other thread. I feel like it didn't seem like the other books. It was really different with all the shippy stuff. |
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Post by Taylor on Jul 17, 2005 21:34:23 GMT -5
Did anyone get the delux version of the book? I was reading a news source and they said there was a childrens version (the green one,) and the delux version (the gold covered one) and I am wondering how the two books are different, and if there is any thing *adult* in the books that the editors would cut out of the childrens version.
Taylor
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Post by amandahleigh on Jul 18, 2005 0:47:53 GMT -5
I read awhile back that the difference between the kid/adult books are the covers and smaller print in the adult book.
I SO totally agree! All tha pairings, the tone, everthing...
*sigh*
I think that Minerva will be in 7, because she has to help Harry be an auror. Of course, if he doens't return to school...
Oh Harry, Harry, Harry...
AL
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Post by QuillofMinerva on Jul 18, 2005 1:48:38 GMT -5
I had such high hopes for that ring that Albus had on his finger near the beginning of the book...I thought, this is it, this could be his wedding ring but alas no...something completely different.
Minerva's character development in this book was well...non existant. She simply seemed a professor and the stunner attack wasn't mentioned at all. Surely Harry would have wondered how she was doing, I know I would as a pupil when something happens to a teacher, it is gossip for weeks and even months.
Minerva just seemed wrong in this book, in fact a lot of the Professors didnt seem themseleves. I did think that her role would increase in this book because I had thought that it was leading up to that in the five previous books. I can only hope that now she is Headmistress that we see what she is actually made of. Minerva just seems so wrong without Albus. It's just not right!
I feel as though JK Rowling didnt pour her heart into this book as she did with the others, maybe she just felt that she did just enough for the sake of it and to get it published.
And as for Albus' death and send off....what was that all about. It seemed disrespectful to me and very unpersonal.
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Post by TheEmeraldRose on Jul 18, 2005 2:01:24 GMT -5
I actually really liked book six, though I'm finding out more and more not many share my feelings. I do wish we would have seen more of Minerva, but perhaps we will in book seven. If not, there's always fanfiction!
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Post by mugglemin on Jul 18, 2005 2:25:21 GMT -5
Aha! I've finally found these threads...okay, here we go...
I was also very dissappointed in the lack of Minerva in these books. To say there was no development of her character at all is slightly dismissive, though I think. There were TINY TINY bits, verifying what we knew before perhaps, but I think they are relatively important.
The first bit is what she says to Neville about his NEWTS. Here we get a McGonagall compliment AND an offer of defense against his grandmother (btw, I thought perhaps that Minerva and Neville's gran might have been to school together...). Minerva once before gave Neville's confidence a boost (in GOF - "Nothing wrong with your work but lack of confidence")
The second bit is her kindness to Leanne after Katie Bell's "accident". This is quite subtle I suppose, but I think it connects with the other two bits.
The third bit is her treatment of Hagrid in the office. What she says to him and how she says it are very revealing.
So I think these three "kindnesses" for want of a better word are important to her character. JK highlights this element of her THREE times in this book (I may have missed another bit!), therefore underscoring this trait.
That's what I reckon anyhoo.
I also think we'll definately see her in the next book. Harry is going on a voyage of discovery. He may require her knowledge. She is also at Hogwarts, which is surely the crucial place in the book. Book 6 says Voldy feels a connection to it, we know that Harry does too. It's their home. Hagrid is there, and so is Minerva. I think we'll see more of her yet.
How much more, I couldn't venture to guess!
mugs.x
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Post by foci on Jul 18, 2005 3:58:58 GMT -5
Yep, Hogwarts is a home to Harry, Riddle and Snape.
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Post by Herzele on Jul 18, 2005 4:08:05 GMT -5
Clayre, I'm so with you on the ring. When I read that I was really excited and thought, yay, Rowling is finally telling us what we all know anyway ... And I was disappointed when I found out that that wasn't the case ...
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Post by foci on Jul 18, 2005 4:09:41 GMT -5
Same here. I expected on every second page to finally read: "Harry, you can tell me, we are married." (sighs) It was very disappointing.
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Post by TabbyForever on Jul 18, 2005 5:09:11 GMT -5
Hehehe there was one Minnie moment that i really loved in this book, but that was it.
'Take that' shouted Professor McGonagall...i loved that line, even though Albus had just been killed, i could just hear her saying it.
As i've said in other threads, i think she was Underused and Mistreated in this book, nobody mentioned the attack last year....Kinda important in my eyes.
I really hope she is used a little more in book 7 cause this one was just dissapointing.
Clayre, i was totally the same with the ring at the beginning, i was like yay...its true!! And was so let down when it was gone.
And the other thing that really got me was the way Harry was so totally adament he was gonna keep his word to Albus, even once he died, esp with the minister I'm Dumbledore's man and the quote about him never being gone from the school while all those around are loyal to him,,,i was like sniff sniff, thats so sad!!
J. xx
My 2pence worth
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Post by Alesia on Jul 18, 2005 5:49:14 GMT -5
All I have to say is if Snape really is bad........ (and I am still up in the air on that one - always thought he was until GoF & OotP and then I changed my mind and now of course..........grrrrr) Anyway my point... IF Snape is really loyal to Voldy MINERVA HAD BETTER BE THE ONE WHO GETS TO GIVE HIM WHAT IS HIS DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! screw Harry's right to revenge on Snape - 5 years of mental torture and the murder of your mentor vs a 60 year friendship, and hopefully relationship/marriage - I think Minerva gets that right hands down. BTW Snape said he wasn't the Secret Keeper for the Order. Anybody know what happens when a Secret Keeper dies? Are the secrets now exposed or do they die with the Keeper? Do we think that Minerva is the Secret Keeper for the Order (as opposed to Albus)  ? |
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Post by TabbyForever on Jul 18, 2005 7:08:23 GMT -5
That is a very good point!
I hadn't thought about that one!
Passes the question over to the rest of the floor....
So peeps, any ideas how that might be resolved?
J. xx
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Post by Herzele on Jul 18, 2005 7:20:29 GMT -5
No idea, but I'd like to know that, too ...
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Post by rogueinker on Jul 18, 2005 9:21:04 GMT -5
I like to think that because an AD/MM ship WAS NOT mentioned that it hasn’t been disqualified entirely. It could still be mentioned in a significant manner in the next book. I don't think Minerva could have revealed anything to Harry since he and Voldemort still play mental peekaboo with each other. If anything, Minerva would be even more guarded now than before as she has someone less to trust and confide in.
Rowling didn’t HAVE to show Minerva’s reactions to anything but she did. Not only did she have McGonagall interacting with Harry and the points that Mugglemin brought up, Rowling showed Minerva’s capable side as her orders were followed to the letter. Her leadership was apparent as there was no panic or mass confusion. It doesn’t sound like the Ministry gave her much grief either. Someone has to lead the Order and who better than Minerva. They are already looking towards her for leadership. I would have loved to have more of her but I’ll take what’s there.
I strongly feel that Minerva will play a larger part in the next book. A couple of reasons for this:
- Grimmauld Place isn't as safe as it used to as Order headquarters. I think Hogwarts will be used as a headquarters for the Order and Ministry. I can't see Harry going elsewhere either. He's uncomfortable at Grimmauld Place. Privet Drive is out of the question. Unless Godric Hollow has been rebuilt, where is he supposed to go?
- Minerva is headmistress unless Umbrage replaces her. But that has a good option as she could go full time into the Order and hunt Snape down. I have visions of her wreaking havoc - "let loose the cat of war."
- Of all the characters she would be the only one that Snape could communicate with if he really had to. She'd probably ask 1 quick question because she would owe Albus the one question then cast a spell to kill painfully and slowly.
- All the knowledge sources is at Hogwarts. Dumbledore's portrait. Harry has to interrogate Kreacher about the Black family history. I think Minerva knows more than she's letting on. She may not know it directly but she's a plot device that can be used.
Fluff and Fiction - There are 150 years of Dumbledore’s life to make up stories for, 60+ for Minerva and possibly 40-50 shippy years. The ship hasn’t been shot down so things are still positive, if tragic. Just ignore the tragic bits or create an AU universe like a different timeline or something. All my fics skirt canon anyway so HBP isn't going to stop me.
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Post by tabbylvr77 on Jul 18, 2005 10:48:17 GMT -5
I totally agree.. there is still room for the shippyness we all adore! It took me a while to be convinced, but I think that now Dumbledore is gone (  ) Min will have a bigger part in the last book. What I would like to see is Min helping Harry kill Voldy but I know that cant happen.. I would though like to see her KILL that dirty @&!*%$, @!#$&%*&@ Snape. Nice and slowly....... Well anways, I really think that Min will be in book 7 more cuz, not only is she headmistress, but she has loads of imformation Harry can use. I think Min will help Harry destroy Voldy, maybe not phisically help him, but with answers to questions that were left unanswered. Just my thoughts... Rae |
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Post by Herzele on Jul 18, 2005 10:51:53 GMT -5
I sure hope she will, but after Albus's death in this book, I'm not sure what to expect from Rowling anymore ...
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Post by amandahleigh on Jul 18, 2005 12:38:27 GMT -5
We didn't see enough Minerva or Flitwick. I love Flitwick, and I thought he was awesome with the whole Umbridge thing (something like "Could have removed them myself, but wasn't sure I had the authority.")
Too much flirting and puppy love and worrying about Malfoy and not enough of, well, the good stuff.
Where was Halloween?!
And we barely saw Nearly Headless Nick...
And so much more... Harry could have talked to Dumbledore's portait at some point too, I bet McGonagall would let him in the office. Or maybe that'd be too painful for him, I don't know...but still.
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Post by mugglemin on Jul 18, 2005 20:15:05 GMT -5
So much information still has to come from Dumbledore. I think we'll see much more of him, even though I firmly believe that he is gone. I think we'll see him via the pensive or some other such device and also the portrait - which means Harry has to go to Minerva's office!
I also think we'll see Fawkes again. In an interview recently, Rowling said something about Harry getting a new pet...I was surprised that Fawkes dissappeared at the end of HBP, but I still think he might come back and help Harry. JK was also reticent in Friday interviews about whether Fawkes will be in book 7...
The more I think about the ship, the more I think that it's still valid. After I'd finished the book I was thinking "well that's the end of that theory then!" But there are points about Minerva's behaviour after Albus' death - the way she steels herself before his portrait, and the point some of you have made about her having to do what she had to do. A true leader, a strong and confident woman...whose heart is secretly breaking.
So let's see lots more shippy moments AU/canon whatever! ADMM FOREVER!
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Post by punurple on Jul 19, 2005 19:30:08 GMT -5
I don't think we will ever see as much of McG as we would like too. But if she takes a more active role in the OotP I think we will see more of her in the next book. Since it seems unlikely that Harry will be going to Hogwarts I don't think we will see much of her in action as Headmistress.
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Post by Jessabelle on Jul 20, 2005 12:56:55 GMT -5
I am sooo glad I finally read this thread .. I just finished reading the book yesterday because I had been away and couldn't get the book until I got home .. anyways ..
Foci, I can't believe how much I agree with you on some of the stuff you said. As I was reading the book I was thinking that this really wasn't JKR's style. It did seem rather "ficish" and I think she probably mentioned Ron and Lavender snogging more than she mentioned McGonagall. I didn't exactly expect Minerva to play a bigger role than she did in the last one, but I did think that there would be mention about her attack and that her character would be just as important as in the previous book. I also thought that it would have been better to see Minerva come down to get Harry than Snape .. that seemed a tad bit pointless. It only reinforced the fact that Snape was unfair and mean to Harry, as if we could have forgotten.
I also think that the way she killed off Dumbledore was "disrespectful" (I can't think of the word I want right now) and that McGonagall's reaction was too short lived and entirely inaccurate .. she seemed more concerned about the fact that it was Snape thane the fact that Albus was dead.
It seems really awkward to think of a Harry Potter book that doesn't have everything happening in and around Hogwarts. I still think that Hogwarts will play a part, but I fear that it will not be an overly big one and that Minerva will therefore become a rather minimal character. I realize that she promised to help Harry, but he won't even be going back to school. Instead he will be out trying to destroy Voldemort, piece by piece. I do not want to lose all hope that she will in fact be rather important because she is one of my favourite characters, too, but I can't see her as have a big role. I do hope I am wrong.
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Post by mugglemin on Jul 21, 2005 2:06:38 GMT -5
Snape coming down to meet Harry was a device to show that he was able to lower and raise the wards. Otherwise, he and the other DE's wouldn't have been able to escape through the grounds.
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I really hope she is..maybe you're right. Albus was the focus in this book, that's obvious. And Ginny did come out in OotP..maybe. We can only hope. 
) Min will have a bigger part in the last book. What I would like to see is Min helping Harry kill Voldy but I know that cant happen.. I would though like to see her KILL that dirty @&!*%$, @!#$&%*&@ Snape. Nice and slowly....... Well anways, I really think that Min will be in book 7 more cuz, not only is she headmistress, but she has loads of imformation Harry can use. I think Min will help Harry destroy Voldy, maybe not phisically help him, but with answers to questions that were left unanswered.
