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Post by childminerva on Dec 21, 2006 15:38:08 GMT -5
We now know the title for book 7, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.
What do you think of it? Does it sound exciting, or dull? Obviously the book will be great, but was the title all you hoped it would be? And what does it mean? Share your ideas here.
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Post by osusprinks on Dec 21, 2006 15:43:21 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out if it is a place or what. hmmm...
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Post by childminerva on Dec 21, 2006 15:50:14 GMT -5
It looks similar to 'hollow' as in "Godric's Hollow"...but then it's spelled like 'Halloween' and weren't the Potter's murdered on Halloween? I dunno.
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Dec 21, 2006 15:59:55 GMT -5
I love it, it's dark and mysterious and fitting.
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I hope it's not a place, I don't like that idea. I ope it's something to do with Halloween too, because Halloween has always bene significant in the books, hasn't it?
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Post by childminerva on Dec 21, 2006 16:03:14 GMT -5
yeah, strange things happen on halloween in these books. *the murder of the potters *the deathday party and finding a petrified Mrs Norris ...what else? I know there's some big stuff, but I can't think of it and I'm a little too lazy to look it up just now.  |
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Post by jayejaye on Dec 21, 2006 16:27:42 GMT -5
OOh I think this holds a lot of possibilities. I think it will have something to do with halloween too, it is 'all hallows eve' after all, and as childminerva said its a significant day in previous books. As halloween is the time of the 'wandering dead' I wonder if the ghosts of some significant caracters might be important..Dumbledore or Sirius maybe, or perhaps Harrys parents. Also as hallowed means sanctified/holy..and they almost seem to see the 4 founders as saints I wonder if deathly might be a reference to Salazar Slytherin..and his followers, maybe Grindlewald too.
Or it could be completely different and I am rambling as usual. (which is far more likely). :-)
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Post by beMMADfabulous on Dec 21, 2006 17:33:07 GMT -5
How odd... It almost seems to be out of place from the other titles. Maybe it's because it's new... lol Yeah, the title has definite potential. |
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Post by McGonagallsGirl on Dec 21, 2006 18:32:27 GMT -5
hal·low (hâl'ô) Pronunciation Key
tr.v. hal·lowed, hal·low·ing, hal·lows
1. To make or set apart as holy.
2. To respect or honor greatly; revere.
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death·ly Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[deth-lee] –adjective
1. causing death; deadly; fatal.
2. like death: a deathly silence.
3. of, pertaining to, or indicating death; morbid: a deathly odor from the sepulcher.
–adverb 4. in the manner of death.
5. very; utterly: deathly afraid.
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Post by ιady ταвz on Dec 21, 2006 23:04:24 GMT -5
dont fancy it too much...sounds so unlike what JK would use but oh well
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Post by JKMcGonagall on Dec 22, 2006 0:21:01 GMT -5
The Leaky Cauldron had two interesting tidbits in one of their posts. One of them pointed out that this is the seventh time the locked door on Jo's site has opened and it gave us the title of book seven. A little preplanning on her part...hmmmmm. The other interesting tidbit had to do with book 5, The Order of the Phoenix. Remember the scene in the Department of Mysteries where some of the prophecy orbs fall and are broken and they only hear bits of what they say. The ones they heard were "On the solstice shall come a new..." and "and none will come after." A lot of people are speculating that those lines could definitely have been a clue of when she would release the title of the last book. Today is the Winter Solstice, and there will be no more titles after this. If she could predict that she would release the title of the seventh book (in the fifth book) then she really is a seer. Kind of spooky, if you ask me...however, I wouldn't put it past Jo to do it. Hallows means 'holy' or 'sacred' perhaps tying in with the horcruxes Harry has to find and destroy. Or it could refer to Halloween because things always seem to happen then. Also, two of the titles that were claimed (registered and since withdrawn) were Harry Potter and the Hallows of Hogwarts, and Harry Potter and the Hogwart's Hallows. In another post at The Leaky Cauldron, they linked to an essay that had been written for Scribbulus a while back. It ties in the Tarot cards with the Horcruxes to speculate what Rowena Ravenclaw's missing item would be. It could hit right on the mark. The link is: www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#scribbulus:essay:230Just food for thought. Kay OK, I tried the link and it won't get you to the essay. It will get you to The Leaky Cauldron. Just go to the right sidebar and click on the Scribbulus scroll, go to the index and click on it, then go to the essay 'The Four Founders and the Magicians Card' by Erin Dolmage. |
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Post by beMMADfabulous on Dec 22, 2006 9:17:49 GMT -5
That was very insightful, JKMcGonagall. Thanks for that. ;D I still can't get over that this title sounds like something someone would make up in fanfiction. Hmm... reminds me of a certain BOOK 6!  |
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Post by childminerva on Dec 22, 2006 9:46:01 GMT -5
hmm...yes thank you JKMcGonagall, I'm off to read that essay now!
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Dec 22, 2006 12:58:17 GMT -5
The other interesting tidbit had to do with book 5, The Order of the Phoenix. Remember the scene in the Department of Mysteries where some of the prophecy orbs fall and are broken and they only hear bits of what they say. The ones they heard were "On the solstice shall come a new..." and "and none will come after." A lot of people are speculating that those lines could definitely have been a clue of when she would release the title of the last book. Today is the Winter Solstice, and there will be no more titles after this. I like this theory, and I thought I'd just point out that the title was released on the winter solstice as it was the 21st in the UK when the door opened. And JKR and Harry are both in the UK. Time differences are so confusing for me. I hope that it's going to be 07/07/07. It's going to take me a while to decide what I think the title means. |
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Post by childminerva on Dec 22, 2006 13:07:41 GMT -5
I too enjoy that theory...I love when JK throws those things in! I really doubt we'll have the book by that date--I think we'll have to wait a bit longer.  I'm very interested in McgonagallsGirl ideas about the definition of Hallows... I'm going to listen to the special PotterCast title podcast later today and see what they have to say on the matter! |
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Post by ιady ταвz on Dec 22, 2006 16:35:43 GMT -5
its a really good speculation...so interesting how these thiing coincide with the other...wow
and 7/7/07 would be awesom
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Post by MrCoolio on Dec 22, 2006 20:45:42 GMT -5
i read somewhere that even before she was done with book 6 she was planning on releasing 7 on 7/7/07. Can't remember where but if i find it i'll post it. I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE BOOK TO COME OUT!!!
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Post by JKMcGonagall on Dec 23, 2006 2:24:57 GMT -5
Some more of my two cents worth of ideas. This idea goes back to something I read somewhere awhile back. JKR seems to have created a pattern within her titles. The pattern is as follows:
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's/Philosopher's Stone is about an object...the stone.
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets is about a place...the Chamber.
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban is about a person...Sirius Black.
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire is about an object...the Goblet of Fire.
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix is about a place...Grimauld Place where the Order meets.
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince is about a person...Severus Snape.
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows must, therefore, be about an object or objects.
I know, I know, the Order of the Phoenix would seem to be more about a group of people than a place. But Grimauld Place is introduced in this book and plays a very prominent part in it, as does the Ministry of Magic, specifically the Department of Mysteries. All of the afore mentioned are places. It would fit if you think of the Order of the Phoenix in conjunction with where it meets. After all, here we say that we are going to Kiwanis’s, we don't say that we are going to the Kiwanis’s meeting place. Kiwanis’s and the place are the same.
So, if JKR intends to stay true to the pattern that she has created (object, place, person), then the Deathly Hallows must refer to revered objects of some kind, probably those belonging to the Founders of Hogwarts. Let's speculate about what those objects could be.
Godric Gryffindor...the Sword and the Sorting Hat...neither of whom Voldemort could have used.
Helga Hufflepuff...the finely wrought cup with a badger engraved on the side of it…probably a horcrux now.
Salazar Slytherin...the diary (destroyed) and the locket (possibly the one at Grimauld Place).
Rowena Ravenclaw...unknown...could be the wand displayed in Ollivander's window in the first book...could be a quill belonging to her (read that idea somewhere, don't remember where, sorry)...or, my theory, could it be the Mirror of Erised...a very powerful magical device that has clawed feet (clawed feet...Ravenclaw?). I know it is large to be a horcrux, but could Voldemort have created it as a horcrux while he was a student there, as he did with the diary. He did kill more than one person (his grandparents and his father) that night, so would it have split his soul more than once. Would it have been possible for him to make more than one horcrux with those deaths?
We all know, very well by now, that JKR leaves clues in earlier books that we don't see as clues at the time because we don't know what we are looking at. When she described the Mirror of Erised, she made sure she told us it had clawed feet. A seemingly insignificant, minor detail, but why would she have told us that if it was not important in her scheme of all things to come.
Also, JKR said that Tom Riddle made horcruxes out of object that had special meaning to him and hid them in places that had special meaning to him. The Mirror of Erised is large for a horcrux and would be hard to move somewhere else. However, Jo never said that the horcruxes had to leave Hogwarts. Hogwarts was a place of great significance in Tom Riddle's life. His leaving a horcrux right under Dumbledore's nose would be an idea he would have loved.
Just more food for thought.
JKMcGonagall
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Post by nemi on Dec 23, 2006 7:20:17 GMT -5
[immediate reaction]
Wow, everyone is so insightful. When my friend told me the title I didn't even consider what it might mean until I'd finished being speechless for 20 minutes, not because of the title itself, but merely because I knew what it was, and also because it's already shot up to #1 in book sales on amazon.co.uk.
[/immediate reaction]
[too-long interpretation]
I like the idea of the object-place-person pattern, but I don't think she'd just cut it off in the middle... After all books 1-3 went #1-#2-#3, and then so did books 4-6. Maybe it's just the perfectionist in me, but wouldn't book 7 be another one to finish it off rather than stuck at #1?
Perhaps "hallow" might refer to an action, only rephrased as "hallow" instead of "hallowing". I looked the definition up on dictionary.com and it said verb and gave this example (an omen maybe?): to hallow a battlefield. It sounds right, as when I told my mum the title was out, she said:
"It's Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, isn't it? Harry's probably going to die in it. That's what your Granddad said anyway, so whatever he read in the paper about it must have implied it."
So Wikipedia's example of 'to hallow a battlefield' and the idea of Harry's death go together: Deathly Hallows. Hallowing the battlefield because Harry died on it?
The only thing about that idea that puzzles me is the suggestion that the 'hallows', or the hallowing, are/is deathly (unless the hallow wasn't intended to be deathly but went wrong and THAT's what caused the deathliness). If we take hallow, pronounced HAL-oh, as 'make holy', then it's a little bit of a paradox, and a controversial paradox at that. However dictionary.com also says:
hal·low2 [huh-loh]
–interjection, noun, verb (used without object), verb (used with object)
And that's it. It directs us to this for more information:
hal·lo [huh-loh] interjection, noun, plural -los, verb, -loed, -lo·ing.
–interjection
1. (used to call or answer someone, or to incite dogs in hunting.)
–noun
2. the cry “hallo!”
3. a shout of exultation.
–verb (used without object)
4. to call with a loud voice; shout; cry, as after hunting dogs.
–verb (used with object)
5. to incite or chase (something) with shouts and cries of “hallo!”
6. to cry “hallo” to (someone).
7. to shout (something).
Which suggests 'hallow' as a misleading version of the noun 'call', which also sort of fits, and which is also a kind of indirect action. Nothing that could have a 'deathly hallow' springs to mind, but as we vaguely know what will inevitably happen in Book 7 then it's an idea that wouldn't be out of place.
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[opinion]
I'm not sure what I actually think of the title as a title. At first it just swam round my head screaming "I'm book 7" for a while. When I actually had time to digest it, taking into account the fact that I'd never heard the word 'hallow' before, my first thought was that the "Deathly Hallows" were a place and I thought it was a rather unoriginal title for the final book.
After scanning the dictionary.com page and making sure there was no way it could be a place, it went up in my estimations. Now it's thought-provoking, or just plain confuzzling, whichever way you like to put it. I'm, actually, currently treading on the thin line between "another interesting title from Jo" and "Jo taking the p out of the fact that everyone's going to spend ages speculating on what it means".
So, anyway, I'm going to shut up now, and stew for a little longer about whether or not Harry's going to die. Jo did tell her husband who died and he gasped, which suggests it isn't Harry. I mean, come on, surely he wouldn't gasp at an idea that's been going round since before book 5?
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Post by childminerva on Dec 23, 2006 10:52:15 GMT -5
her husband gasped?!!
okay, I'm going to try and not dwell on the fact that Jo's own husband gasped when she told him who dies. That to me implies the death of a much beloved character, and not Harry. Harry's death would be a disappointment, but not heartbreak.
Anyway, back to the title...I'd never thought about the titles that way before--object/place/person---that makes it very interesting. I also like the idea of the mirror of erised being the Ravenclaw horcrux. My sister is convinced it's the wand (an idea she had come up with weeks before I told her about the essay).
Ah, well. I still don't like the rhythm of the title, it sounds different than the rest in a flat sort of way, but that might be intentional.
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Post by ιady ταвz on Dec 23, 2006 16:25:56 GMT -5
wow, you guys think alot..i can never do that, i come short of thoughts...but it makes sense to me. I too feel that Harry isnt about to die, its not i dunno...going to happen. Where did infor for Ravenclaw's wand come from? i never heard abou that.
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Post by childminerva on Dec 23, 2006 16:46:35 GMT -5
The wand thing was mentioned in the essay.
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Post by StormAngel on Dec 23, 2006 22:02:08 GMT -5
oh... I hate the title... argh!! Just my little opinion here..  ~~ |
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Post by beMMADfabulous on Dec 23, 2006 22:08:49 GMT -5
Eh, the title's growing on me, I think.
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Post by ιady ταвz on Dec 25, 2006 21:08:10 GMT -5
yea, ive come to accpet it...ok gotta read the essay, thanks
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Post by childminerva on Dec 26, 2006 16:56:54 GMT -5
I've gotten used to it and I don't hate it...but I still wish it was different.  |
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Post by ιady ταвz on Dec 27, 2006 17:58:20 GMT -5
i still hope its a hoax or something but itll never happen
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Post by StormAngel on Dec 27, 2006 18:03:51 GMT -5
sigh... the title's growing on me..
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Post by misshoneychurch88 on Dec 30, 2006 20:17:16 GMT -5
I dunno I actually really like the title. It's suitably creepy and ominous, as it should be for a book that will deal alot, ALOT with death
oh and another note I founf interesting. while Hallowed means makeing a plce or object holy, hallows , as in all hallows eve, means saints, so it would be deathy saints. Now that could refer to the founders, or perhaps she's making a reference to all the saintly people in Harry's life, ie Sirius, Dumbledore etc. I still haven't thought about it enough
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Post by StormAngel on Dec 30, 2006 23:02:03 GMT -5
hmm... still confusing though...
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Post by misshoneychurch88 on Dec 30, 2006 23:25:31 GMT -5
I have a feeling it's gonna be something that will make no sense until we read it...as much specualtion as there was on the half-blood prince, it still didn't make sense until the book came out
doesn't mean I'm not gonna have fun speculating, but it will proably be of no use
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