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Post by Drake on Jul 24, 2007 20:30:07 GMT -5
I'm looking for a fic. It’s not a specific fic. I can't give you a title. I can't give you an author. I can't tell you when it was written, or where I first found it.
In fact, I’ve never read it.
I'm looking for a fic that's in character, that doesn’t involve random flowery love speeches, or Minerva in THAT DRESS (You know the one I'm talking about. It's red, or possibly green, and very sexy. And it shows off cleavage. And Minerva looks gorgeous in it) or OOC manipulative evil Albus, or weird horny Snape, or bizarre love potions, or contrived situations, or those CHILDREN.
I'm looking for a fic where Minerva is strict and conservative and not going on random shopping sprees with the rest of the female staff. I'm looking for a fic where Albus is the genius in the ivory tower, brilliant and quirky and funny and kind and daft but mostly just brilliant.
I'm looking for a fic without THAT CHILD (You know her; her name’s Athena and she has Minerva's eyes. She’s always a girl. And she’s always annoyed the hell out of me, to be quite frank.)
I’m looking for a fic without THAT CONFESSION. You know the one after the chess game, or in a hall closet, or after dinner. The one where Party A confesses you-know-what to Party B and they do Romantic Couple-y Thing X.
I’m looking for a fic that doesn’t take their relationship too far beyond what it is in canon. No marriage, no weird kinky candy, no rabid monkey sex, no tentative hand-holding, no random BDSM (okay, the hand-holding’s fine, but you get the idea).
I’m looking for a fic that’s GOOD. (And this is why I can’t write it myself, for those of you that were going to ask.) This is the most important thing. I’m looking for a fic that leaves the reader breathless with its bitter sweetness, or its wit, or its lush description of Character X’s internal torment.
I’m looking for a fic that I haven’t read a million times before. I’m looking for one that really stands out from the crowd and dares to be different. I’m looking for a fic that doesn’t neatly fit the “Minerva grieves Albus’ death over Confectionery Item C” or “A routine game of chess leads to something more” or “Albus tells Minerva that he loves her” pattern.
In short, I’m looking for a fic that cuts the fanon crap. None of these nifty little clichés we have built for ourselves, none of the delusional nonsense, none of the tired, overdone, safe little trite formulas one sees everywhere.
I suppose this is a tall order, and I suppose it is a bit of a rant. Please, no one take offense. I really, really, don't mean to be rude. There are tons of lovely fics out there, and most of them include any or all of the elements above. Some of my favorite fanfics or cliche-heavy, and have THAT DRESS, or THAT CHILD, or THAT CONFESSION in it, and sometimes all three.
But I really want to find THIS one.
Is there such a thing?
EDIT: And please, dear God, no "meet the parents" scenario.
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Post by mmadlyinlove on Jul 24, 2007 22:11:39 GMT -5
Well, I know I have no room to talk here, since I am the QUEEN of such fics which you are not looking for, but I might, possibly, perhaps, maybe, might have one fic that doesn't fit that... It isn't that great, I shall admit.. Since I wrote it, I don't think it is all that great... But have you read my "No Good Deed" story... I'm not saying it's good, but it doesn't seem to fit those descriptions... I mean, Min does grieve for Albus, but it's an angry grieving and it's a race between her and Harry to see who gets to Voldemort first, only... Well, I can't say much cuz then that would ruin the surprise of the next chapter, but... Yeah... Just a thought... You don't have to read it if you haven't already, and if you have, sorry... But most of the fics on the top of my head are the same 'every day' ones we see 'everywhere'....
~mmadlyinlove~
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Post by beMMADfabulous on Jul 24, 2007 22:18:24 GMT -5
*sighs* I wish I could tell you I had a fic like that... Alas, my stories stink, to be quite honest.  |
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Post by Drake on Jul 24, 2007 22:44:31 GMT -5
Well, I know I have no room to talk here, since I am the QUEEN of such fics which you are not looking for. LOL! I love you, do you know that? Seriously, though, I am a fan, and that is just hilarious. Although you are, rather, the queen of fics I am not looking for. But you rule your kingdom very well, methinks.  I'm going to go check out "No Good Deed." |
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Post by beMMADfabulous on Jul 24, 2007 22:50:06 GMT -5
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I'm still racking my brain right now, attempting to somehow give you the fic you'd like to read, but it's just putting me in a more depressed mood. Maybe I should, to make me feel better, go write.. and not expect it to be great, because it never will be, unfortunately. I don't have the talent for that, but I know someone (or a few someones) here does.
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Post by Drake on Jul 24, 2007 23:01:39 GMT -5
Nonsense! You're great!
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Post by MinnyCat on Jul 24, 2007 23:01:51 GMT -5
I would love to be the writer of this fic...... but honestly...... I dont know if it can be done by me. lol. And I have no idea if it can be done by anyone on this site...... but then again..... we do have some very talented people on here!
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Post by beMMADfabulous on Jul 24, 2007 23:04:20 GMT -5
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Post by Drake on Jul 24, 2007 23:10:20 GMT -5
I would love to be the writer of this fic...... but honestly...... I dont know if it can be done by me. lol. And I have no idea if it can be done by anyone on this site...... but then again..... we do have some very talented people on here! I agree completly. The thing is, though, that it wouldn't even have to be long. 100 words of this, and I'd be a happy camper. ;D |
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Post by MMADfan on Jul 24, 2007 23:54:02 GMT -5
I would love to be the writer of this fic...... but honestly...... I dont know if it can be done by me. lol. And I have no idea if it can be done by anyone on this site...... but then again..... we do have some very talented people on here! I agree completly. The thing is, though, that it wouldn't even have to be long. 100 words of this, and I'd be a happy camper. ;D One hundred words, you say? No rabid monkey sex, no sexy dress, no manipulative!Dumbledore . . . well, this meets those qualifications, although it doesn't meet the positive ones -- the bitter-sweetness, the internal conflict, etc. But I'll give it to you anyway! (It's part of the "Circadian Rhythm" drabbles.) Response
Minerva read the letter, pausing only once to reread the request at its end. She pulled out a sheet of parchment and her favourite quill. This would be one of the shortest letters she’d ever written. There would be time later for the questions she would no doubt have once she’d had time to consider what it all meant. But for now, this would do:
“Dear Professor Dumbledore,
“Yes.
“I will give notice today and begin as soon as possible.
“I was very sorry to hear of Headmaster Dippet’s demise, but offer my congratulations to you.
“Sincerely,
“Minerva McGonagall”
In Resolving a Misunderstanding, we've gotten to over 350,000 words, and there's been no "proper kiss" yet between Albus and Minerva -- they're still at the "just friends" stage . . . but that will change, so I guess the story doesn't meet your criteria. That's why it's in the "Romance" section of the board, not the "Drama" section. Besides, it's not really canon, only "canon-like." I do like to think it's not a typical ADMM fanfic, though . . . but I'm probably deluded. But please don't disillusion me about that! *grin* There will never be a girl-child named "Athena," however! (The story covers from 1937 through 1957 of their relationship, with a bit of AD-backstory from before that, focussing on the summer of 1957.) If I think of an ADMM story that genuinely fits your criteria, I'll let you know, but every one that I think of either fails one of the things you don't want or doesn't attain what you do want to see . . . there's got to be one out there somewhere, though. |
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Post by MinnieQuill on Jul 25, 2007 8:37:29 GMT -5
Well, you're asking to find a fic that I would completely adore! I too am sick to death of Athena 'green eyes' McGonagall-Dumbledore, the dress and all the rest of it. So; to fics! *clears throat* 'Long and Winding Road' by LinZe. Her fics are never bad, so you're already on a winner there. It's not a favourite of mine, but it does fit all that criteria. There isn't much said about an ADMM relationship, just rather than it's there though never explicit. Good characterisation of those used (Minerva, Remus, Severus and Harry), well-written (though some have said the description is a tad overboard but depends on individual taste.) The link is: www.fanfiction.net/s/2419745/1/THE_LONG_AND_WINDING_ROAD"Behind Every Great Man" by Shadowy-Sheep. Unfortunately their updates are sporadic and the chapters rather short, but it's well-written, Minerva's character is spot-on and it gives an interesting insight into her past. The link is: www.fanfiction.net/s/2520132/1/Behind_Every_Great_Man"Seashells" by Minni. I haven't read this for a while, but from memory it was very well-written and explores the beginning of an ADMM relationship. Gorgeous description. However, as with the former story, updates are sporadic at best. Link: www.fanfiction.net/s/2659186/1/Seashells"Lead Me Not Into Temptation" by TartanPhoenix. This one might fall into your category of Evil!Dumbledore, but it's more about what power and (in this case) subsequent paranoia can do to a person. Link: www.fanfiction.net/s/2562431/1/Lead_me_not_into_temptationThat's it really if you want to stick to ADMM. Dianeme and myself's C2 forum has other stories that aren't ADMM that would fit (almost) all your criteria. There are Bellatrix stories there to, so don't click on any of them (I just love that woman.) C2: www.fanfiction.net/community/Stories_of_the_Black_and_White_Queens/46963/99/0/4/ |
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Post by Drake on Jul 25, 2007 11:38:50 GMT -5
*clears throat* *begins to sing* Oooooooooooooooh, MinnieQuill.... You may hate Albus Dumbledore
But that's alright with me
Yes, that's alright with me.
And I may not know you, dear
But that's alright with me.
Yes, that's alright with me.
Because I loooooooooooooooooooooooooove yoooou!!
Yes, I loooooooooooooooooooooooove you.
The song may not rhyme very well
And it's over the Internet so you have no idea what it sounds like.
But that's alright.
Because I looooooooooooooooooooooooooove you!!
I loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove you.
I love you.
I love you. Yeah! *wipes tear from eye* You are beautiful person. |
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Post by Apocalypticat on Jul 25, 2007 13:13:54 GMT -5
Haha that last post made the thread! I hope your quest is ended, as I can't do much more than direct you to MMADfan's fic or any of the ones Minniequill mentioned above. My own pet fic, Him Again does meet the criteria of being, uh, 'different,' but the romance in it... well the less said, the better! (No green-eyed Athena though! ) |
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Post by Drake on Jul 25, 2007 13:28:17 GMT -5
Yes, I believe my quest is over. And I do love "Him Again." It's really creative and different. |
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Post by Apocalypticat on Jul 25, 2007 13:33:24 GMT -5
Thank you, deary!  (Sorry, random urge to call people deary). But whether your quest is finished or not, you've planted a little seed here. Hmmm... *imagining scenes* |
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Post by pinnacle on Jul 25, 2007 14:27:14 GMT -5
Hmm, I do agree with your plea! I love typical, sappy fics of the sort you mentioned, but they become very tiring soon. I don't know if I could find you any fics that satisfy all of your requirements, but I do know of some excellently written ones that break out of the mold. They're all on LJ, so I dunno if most of you all have seen them. Speaking of LJ, I was going to post this last night, but then the stupid power outage stopped me. a quiet history (the end)other-shades.livejournal.com/15510.htmlPost-HBP fic (now AU) in which Hogwarts has been shut down, and Min says farewell. Geesecommunity.livejournal.com/hp_holidaygen/9553.htmlMarauder-era genfic. And I mean gen. If you squint, the ADMM shines through, it's lovely. Of Morning and Mourningcommunity.livejournal.com/sweetsaddiction/19780.htmlA sad post-HBP one. Established relationship. I adore this. After the Ballpurplefluffycat.livejournal.com/1797.htmlThe Yule Ball, that is... Traditional Sockscommunity.livejournal.com/mkfoundation/8880.htmlIf, in fact, Albus was telling the truth about seeing himself receiving socks in the Mirror of Erised, this is why. And this is just about the only happy one in my list. Never and Alwaystransposition73.livejournal.com/43284.htmlShort, simple, and sososad. Edit: Even if your quest is over, I hope you'll like these!  |
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Post by MinnieQuill on Jul 25, 2007 18:57:37 GMT -5
*snorts* That's okay, sweets. Really. I've been searching for those fics for about two years now. Rare they are, very rare, and most of them aren't ADMM (that pairing brings out the fluffiness in paople - don't argue, guys, You know it's true ) Anyway, hope you enjoyed them! |
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Post by Drake on Jul 26, 2007 9:45:33 GMT -5
(that pairing brings out the fluffiness in paople - don't argue, guys, You know it's true ) Yes. Yes it is. They're stinking cute. Who can help it? And pinnacle! Geese! It was FANTASTIC!! ;D |
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Post by Jessabelle on Jul 26, 2007 15:04:41 GMT -5
Comedy of Errors is good for the most part. There are a few moments I could do without, but it isn't a typical MADD fic at all. It's over on the Lemons board. - Jess |
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Post by mugglemin on Jul 26, 2007 17:31:45 GMT -5
I need to add my little tuppence worth here for good measure, as no one has mentioned any of those who I consider to be the greatest of the great ADMM writers (apart from Apocalypticat, of course, who is my current fave). Here are some of the earliest and, IMHO, best writers that people don't seem to read anymore: Alchemine: www.fanfiction.net/u/131569/ Quite possibly the very best. Totally canon (as far as we know) and in character, she tells the story of a young Minerva, how she came to be the protege of Dumbledore and how their relationship develops (to the very best of friends) in the shadow of the horrific Tom Riddle. Starts with Minerva as a kid, and the last we get is "June Week", which takes us to the war with Grindlewald. Sirabella:"When We've been there ten thougstand years" www.fanfiction.net/s/1005539/1/When_Weve_Been_There_Ten_Thousand_Years Sadly, she only has one ADMM story and it's unfinished. What there is, however, is pure, angst-ridden, heart-wrenching, beautifully written gold. Both Dumbledore and Minerva are in character - Albus especially so. Tells of their unspoken, though mutually acknowledged love for eachother, and a turn of events that brings them to the truth. Fab. Dicere: After The Battle www.fanfiction.net/s/1398142/1/After_the_BattleThis is just a really great story and all ADMMers should read it. Morgan72uk: "All Other Things" admmfics.proboards22.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=romance&thread=1144920068&page=1 This is how it would have been if they'd dared... There are pleanty more where they came from: rogueinker, mascaret, ...you can find them on ff.net and the odd story on here an infinite incantatem. These listed here were the first and in my opinion, the best of the ADMM writers. Your quest is not over until you've read these! |
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Jul 26, 2007 19:15:47 GMT -5
You ask a lot, don't you? But I take no offence. I'm afraid I am a person who writes the clichés. But I think you're saying what we all know, but don't want to admit to. I speak for myself in that respect, certainly. The thing is, I don't think everything you don't want is out of character. But I am sick of Athena, but I don't especially like fics with children in them anyway, so you know.
I'd advise anything by Morgan72uk, and now I'm struggling because the fics that I love have the cliché getting together moment, so does everything I write, because I like them to be happy.
The thing is, why is it not canon and OOC if they are together? And are happy? I know I know, he's the genius in the ivory tower and she's the stern, strict, ever-the-professional teacher. But they could still be married. They could still be together. 'He will not be single-handed' 'Dumbledore would've been happier than anyone to think there would be a little more love in the world'. If they're married, it's still canon, it really is. No I'm not taking offence, I just disagree a little with that bit. And I can't think of anymore fics.
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Post by mmadlyinlove on Jul 26, 2007 20:09:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I would love to help you out, but if I tried to write a fic like you are requesting, I'd fall flat on my face... I mean I am barely able to provide any semblance of enjoyment with my own fics, mainly because most of my fics are spur of the moment, in chapters and stories on the whole. LOL... I rarely, if ever, plan my fics out... I just wait to seehow it goes. lol. I mean sometimes I might have a vague idea, but... Anywho, I've rambled on long enough. Hahaha. Yeah, I might try to do it one day, but sorry... I'm just not that good yet....
~mmadlyinlove~
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Post by Drake on Jul 26, 2007 21:07:37 GMT -5
The thing is, why is it not canon and OOC if they are together? And are happy? I know I know, he's the genius in the ivory tower and she's the stern, strict, ever-the-professional teacher. But they could still be married. They could still be together. 'He will not be single-handed' 'Dumbledore would've been happier than anyone to think there would be a little more love in the world'. If they're married, it's still canon, it really is. No I'm not taking offence, I just disagree a little with that bit. And I can't think of anymore fics. Well, there is the quote about Dumbledore not having an equal and such from JKR. And Maggie Smith said she though Minnie was in love with him. But no one has said anything about Him being in love with her. There are many kinds of love. I believe that Dumbledore, while definitely not a stranger to love, didn't real have a lot in the romantic department. I love the notion of ADMM. But honestly, I think it is a notion created mostly by fanon. This post was posted because the fanon has gotten a wee bit out of control. It's gotten to the point where I click on a fic and honestly can't tell if I've read it before or not. And I don't want the fanon to build up. I don't want us to lose sight of canon. They can be together and be in charachter. I hope I never said they couldn't. It's just that there are many, many ADMM fics in this world that are pretty OOC. Not really bad, gawdawful falming OOC, but just little moments. Would she really say that?
Would he really do that?
WTF is with that love speech? Since does Albus Dumbledore's voice sound like THAT?
Oh, come one, Minnie is not an alchololic.
I really can't see her putting up with that kind of nonsense. And it got a little annoying after a while. Granted, in every fanfiction there will be little moment of OOc, but I noticed that people were being OOC in all the same places. And that really started to bother me. I'm afraid that we'll end up like a another fandom I could name. The fanon shit has gotten so bad over there that you can't write an alternate back story for fear of getting flamed. So I have no issue with a happy ADMM relationship. It's just that I was in the mood for something different one day. And to my horror, when I looked, I could not find anything. Hence the pleading. |
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Post by pinnacle on Jul 26, 2007 22:59:36 GMT -5
Just wanted to pop in and second this. I love her stuff. The best. |
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Post by mugglemin on Jul 27, 2007 6:10:16 GMT -5
I think eloquent phoenix has a point about many of us not wanting to face the truth of what Sir Francis is saying. I agree entirely with the plea, I don't think they are married in canon, I even think they may not be in love at all, but I ship this ship because I think it would be lovely if they were. And that's the point, isn't it, of shipping and fandoms? That we draw on the characters we love and, some of us, make them how we want them to be. And if other people enjoy that, great!
There ARE many quality ADMM stories out there, written by great writers (see above various posts, and btw, I forgot to add Cyrano de Tucson's Farewell Profession McGonagall, which is just...beautiful
http ://www.fanfiction.net/s/1978788/1/Farewell_Professor_McGonagall)
but there's pleanty of rubbish to wade through, and such is the nature of fandoms and shipping. There will always be ghastly fics. I myself cannot bear the student-teacher fics, they make me sick and they are TOTALLY OOC for Albus, but I would never protest against them being posted here, because pleanty of other people enjoy them! I just choose not to read them.
If we tried to manage and control the content of all ADMM fics, we'd end up just like those Nazis at Sugar Quill who think they are canon-purists, but who in actual fact are just control freaks. I've been here on this board from the very beginning, and I know that that's exactly what the founders of this board were trying to avoid. We needed somewhere where we could avoid our lemons being censored, and a community where constructive criticism is well recieved, and flames are out. For the most part, this board has been successful in achieving this, and anyone who likes this ship can pretty much post it however they want to represent it. That's how it should be.
But...maybe we could have a whole thread dedicated the canon-based fics, or something like that. In the meantime, I recommend trawling through all pages on here and on ff.net.
Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also...
mugs.x
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Post by Nerweniel on Jul 27, 2007 10:46:35 GMT -5
What mugglemin said is true... when we founded this board, we did it to create a place where we wouldn't be censored and where anyone could, in all freedom, share their AD/MM fics. I think that even after three years, we're still doing a pretty good job at that and that we're, especially compared to some other fandoms, a pretty open community. That said, I agree with a lot of things that have been said here. While I like many fics that do contain some of the aforementioned clichés - which don't necessarily make for a bad fic - I agree that sometimes, one can get over-daughter-ed, over-dress-ed, over-OOC-ed, and such... I have moments like that too and I know, it's really hard to find stuff like that online... which, as much as I like fluff and romance, is a pity. I definitely know what the original poster means . The idea of a separate category or something for purely canon-based fic kind of appeals to me... do more people agree with this? Opinions, please . |
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Post by tabbycat on Jul 27, 2007 10:59:44 GMT -5
This thread reminded me of something that Stephen King once said about writing- you all probably know what I'm talking about. "Fiction is lies, real fiction is the truth behind them." I think that while we were trying to make interesting stories that we might have lost focus on some of the simplicity that makes this relationship so beautiful to begin with. I went over one of the fics that I was writing, and I realized that I did have some bizarre, senseless things in it. I was trying very, very hard to entertain the readers but in the midst might have forgotten that some of the details might have been irrelevant. I think that if more people are looking for Minerva/Albus canon that we should think about maybe trying to work on keeping some of the cliches out some of the time. They're nice and I love them and they make interesting stories, but maybe we don't have to use them in -every- fic. edit: I think that the hardest thing about canon in this ship is that we really don't know much about Minerva. That's probably the biggest issue that we have with it. We only know so much, and we can only write about how we think that they feel- and even that may not even be accurate. ;D I forget that these characters aren't real sometimes. We know how she appears, but it's hard to just write a romance piece if we just use her as JKR did. JKR based Minerva mostly on reactions. We know, though Harry's eyes, what she looks like and how she really feels about her students- but nothing else at all. Sadly, I think that when we give minerva thoughts and a past, that we're putting her ooc already! It's too difficult to stay in the confines of canon without adding something in or else it runs the risk of being completely unnoticed or labeled as "boring." Minerva, at least to me, isn't really engaged in any of the novels. We don't know her thoughts at all. We can assume that we do, but that's as far as we can generally get. also, I think creating a canon board would discourage a lot of people. It also might imply that some other peoples' stories aren't accurate depictions of minerva and albus. Which is hard to do seeing as we don't *really* have a clear picture of them. ;D I don't know, I think I just really feel like canon works best in ships where we know nearly everything about the characters because of their inner-dialogues, and therefore can better predict how they would act in certain situations. It's harder to do that based on Minerva's reactions alone. If we give her too much a voice, then it goes out of canon already but if we stay too far in canon, the emphasis runs the risk to going to some other character like it usually does in the books |
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Post by Drake on Jul 27, 2007 11:39:26 GMT -5
If we tried to manage and control the content of all ADMM fics, we'd end up just like those Nazis at Sugar Quill who think they are canon-purists, but who in actual fact are just control freaks. Oh my god, please no one think I was calling for censorship!  That was not the intention of this post at all. I feel awful. I wish I hadn't said anything. |
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Post by tabbycat on Jul 27, 2007 11:41:38 GMT -5
If we tried to manage and control the content of all ADMM fics, we'd end up just like those Nazis at Sugar Quill who think they are canon-purists, but who in actual fact are just control freaks. Oh my god, please no one think I was calling for censorship! That was not the intention of this post at all. I feel awful. I wish I hadn't said anything. lol, noo! I think you were brave to mention something that a lot of people were probably thinking. It's okay! I think we're all just really passionate about our favorite couple ;D |
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Post by mugglemin on Jul 27, 2007 11:48:36 GMT -5
If we tried to manage and control the content of all ADMM fics, we'd end up just like those Nazis at Sugar Quill who think they are canon-purists, but who in actual fact are just control freaks. Oh my god, please no one think I was calling for censorship! That was not the intention of this post at all. I feel awful. I wish I hadn't said anything. No no no!! I wasn't suggesting you were! I think you've opened a really good topic here, and I feel inspired to discuss it further: a note of the possiblilty of a canon-board: I think that tabbycat has a really good point. Each of us has their own interpretation of canon, and can potentially draw different conclusions about a character from the same passages. Therefore, if there was a separate board for strictly canon-based fics, who among us would have the right to decide what went in and what didn't, what was posted appropriately and what not? I myself find it very difficult to write Albus, and only really think I have pulled it off once or twice. Others may not agree, and I think there was a discussion thread last year or maybe before about which one of our two favourites we found it easiest to write. Pretty much everyone said they had trouble with one or the other of them, and I was pretty sceptical of those who claimed they didn't! Another really good example is the writer mascaret, whose stories are full of the tinest canon details, presented from a completely alternative perspective. Her Minerva is nothing like my idea of her, nor is her presentation of Albus, but her stories are wonderful. Would the canon element of them give them a right to be placed on that board, or would I have to protest at my own perception of OOCness? Blimey, it's a MINEFIELD! On the other hand, this is a friendly community, so that particular board could be used constructively in terms of encouraging writers and challenging us all to produce high quality stuff. We'd get some pretty good discussions out of it too, I shouldn't wonder! I still believe in the fundamental function of this board - to unleash our imaginations and record our dreams for the enjoyment of others. But there are now so many stories on here, maybe an reshuffle would be useful? |
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(Sorry, random urge to call people deary). But whether your quest is finished or not, you've planted a little seed here.
