She's lying

[Rachel]

Please tell me if I am wrong or insane in grief.
But didn't Michael Gambon,when he was cast, say of Maggie, "I've already played her husband three times anyway." ?
If there's not supposed to be anything there, why did he feel it was relevant to say that?He seems to imply he's playing her husband for a fourth time.
Either Maggie was coaching him,or even he sees it, when he's only read one book.

[mugglemin]

eloquentphoenix said:

How can she not see what we see? She wrote every single real ADMM moment, it's not a random ship with the first two characters that come to mind. It's real, it's obvious and there are obvious romantic moments, how did she miss them when she wrote them? I don't think I can bear this.

I also agree with Apolypticat, but I've been thinking about how obvious ADMM is in the books, and I don't think it is at all. I think the films have contributed to a lot of people's idea of them as a couple, but I was never an ADMM shipper from reading the books - even after OTP. The ship crept up on me as I was looking for fics about Albus. At first, I was aghast, and then gradually I came round. Now, of course, it seems obvious, but at the time of reading it definitely never did and I'd always thought of them as colleagues who were also good friends. That's probably why I wasn't upset by Jo's answer, and will keep on shipping.

I know that it's not the same for many on this board, but I'm pointing this out as a possible sign of hope. I'm not the only shipper who came round to the idea instead of it being obvious from the first. Maybe Jo will do the same, as she did (for a minute, anyway) with the Neville/Luna thing. Well, until Luna dumped him for a descendant of Newt Scamander...

[Apocalypticat]

mugglemin said:

I also agree with Apolypticat, but I've been thinking about how obvious ADMM is in the books, and I don't think it is at all. I think the films have contributed to a lot of people's idea of them as a couple, but I was never an ADMM shipper from reading the books - even after OTP. The ship crept up on me as I was looking for fics about Albus. At first, I was aghast, and then gradually I came round. Now, of course, it seems obvious, but at the time of reading it definitely never did and I'd always thought of them as colleagues who were also good friends. That's probably why I wasn't upset by Jo's answer, and will keep on shipping.

100% ditto here. I discovered ADMM through my Dumbledore obsession, not from the books or even the movies.

[EloquentPhoenix]

I thought it, aged 9, in their very first scene. But because at that age it was never said outright 'oh yes they are married' I never thought of it again until I discovered the fanfiction of it when I was 15, already hating the films and seeing them only once so it can't be that. I'm convinced the moments made it real for me. Convinced. We shoudl write to her, just to say the punctuation used was cruel, it just added insult to injury as she sank our ship. And of course the moments she wrote aren't made up. I hope she comes around to it.

[chudleycannonsfan]

Apocalypticat, your banner is brilliant. Anchors away!

[Apocalypticat]

chudleycannonsfan said:

Apocalypticat, your banner is brilliant. Anchors away!

Haha thanks! The whole thing is in the gallery!

[mugglemin]

eloquentphoenix said:

We shoudl write to her, just to say the punctuation used was cruel, it just added insult to injury as she sank our ship. And of course the moments she wrote aren't made up. I hope she comes around to it.

Of course, those of you who are really upset must do what you think best, but please look back at Apocalypticat's post about the punctuation and the possible motivations behind it before you lash out at JK, and definitely give yourselves some time to calm down a bit.

Remember that the written word can be interpreted in various ways (I detected her humour in her answer, while others saw it as irritation).

Remember that this thread may have contributed to her answering the question in the first place - many of us would have been happy enough had it not been asked, but pleanty of us also jumped on the bandwagon and bombarded the site with it. It's not fair to protest just because we don't happen to like the answer to the question WE asked.

I have vague recollections of some of the Harry/Hermione shippers sending savage emails to Leaky Cauldron, just because Jo and Leaky/mugglenet had used the term "delusional" about the ship. As a non-shipper of this ship, I found it funny, but those shippers obviously didn't and protested in a rather dramatic manner! I thought - and still think - they're a bunch of nutters, so think about how your response to JK will make you - and let's face it the rest of us ADMM shippers - look.

And don't despair! All this response is proof that the community is still alive and well, and the ship is still afloat! ADMM fics are still being posted, worked on and updated. It's not going anywhere unless we give up on it.

mugs.x

[misshoneychurch88]

I have vague recollections of some of the Harry/Hermione shippers sending savage emails to Leaky Cauldron, just because Jo and Leaky/mugglenet had used the term "delusional" about the ship. As a non-shipper of this ship, I found it funny, but those shippers obviously didn't and protested in a rather dramatic manner! I thought - and still think - they're a bunch of nutters, so think about how your response to JK will make you - and let's face it the rest of us ADMM shippers - look.

ok that is exactly what I was thinking of avoiding. I thought that, perhaps, if we all banded together to create one logical, well-written letter explaining our thoughts and beliefs. Something to combat her immediate, gut response to hearing another shipper question and show her we are, in fact, a large, reasonable and cannon based ship. We probably won't get any har facts, but at least opening her mind to the possibility would be nice.

Oh and I'm glad I could mae you guys laugh with the sig...I was a little distraught at the time and needed cheering up

[Pingpongfreak]

Ooh yes. I like that idea. I hate it when sunken shippers go angry. I can understand being angry at first, but there's no need to send hateful letters and whatnot.

Let's be classy. =]

[Drake]

Aged 7, in second grade (I'm fairly certain now that it WAS second and not third) I sat down with my best friend (at the time) and we gabbed about who we though was going to get together. We "rated" couples, as well. No idea what the hell THAT meant, but, hey! We were seven.

We gave ADMM a %99.9something, and fools and children. Tell the truth. Yes. All that jazz.

(True, we also said things like Harry/Hermione and Nevile/Ginny, but I'm pretty sure we were only at CoS at the time. Meaning that PoA hadn't been published. Yes. Thingy. *is articulate*)

[pinnacle]

mugglemin said:

Of course, those of you who are really upset must do what you think best, but please look back at Apocalypticat's post about the punctuation and the possible motivations behind it before you lash out at JK, and definitely give yourselves some time to calm down a bit.

Remember that the written word can be interpreted in various ways (I detected her humour in her answer, while others saw it as irritation).

Remember that this thread may have contributed to her answering the question in the first place - many of us would have been happy enough had it not been asked, but pleanty of us also jumped on the bandwagon and bombarded the site with it. It's not fair to protest just because we don't happen to like the answer to the question WE asked.

I have vague recollections of some of the Harry/Hermione shippers sending savage emails to Leaky Cauldron, just because Jo and Leaky/mugglenet had used the term "delusional" about the ship. As a non-shipper of this ship, I found it funny, but those shippers obviously didn't and protested in a rather dramatic manner! I thought - and still think - they're a bunch of nutters, so think about how your response to JK will make you - and let's face it the rest of us ADMM shippers - look.

And don't despair! All this response is proof that the community is still alive and well, and the ship is still afloat! ADMM fics are still being posted, worked on and updated. It's not going anywhere unless we give up on it.

Goodness. Thank you for your voice of reason. I could not agree with you more.

[TabbyMin]

alright girls!

I've been gone for awhile- and haven't updated my stories (don't kill me please!). but after this last blow from J.K., I've amazingly regained writing ability!

so, I just wanted to tell everyone, good job on the banners/wallpaper and you're doing such a lovely job on the stories. I know we've all seen an increase in stories these past few weeks! I'm so proud of our little ship. It has grow immensely through and through; and although the sixth and seventh books kinda destroyed our image, it sure made for good fics!

And I think we're all intent on sending a letter to someone, so to throw in my vote, I think we should send one to Maggie with some of our graphics tagging along!

Long live the ADMM ship! thanks everyone- for keeping our ship alive!

-tabs

[McGonagallsGirl]

It wouldn't be my first time shipping something non-canon.

Although, for the past 4 years I thought it was canon...

I feel disillusioned.



God, I feel like Eeyore. This is such an Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh moment.

"Thanks fer noticin''

[McGonagallsGirl]

Since last posting, I've had a few moments of clarity.

I'm passed my initial cold, emptieness within, and beyond the desire to yell and scream irrationally.

And this is the best I've got for now. Either:

A) We've been living a lie for three years

Or B) We're not canon now, but nothing's changed because we never were canon, so why should that stop us?

Also, at least Jo didn't call us delusional. We've got that going for us.



The glass is always both half full and half empty, it's up to you to decide whether you'll drink.

I wrote about that in one of my first ever fics, which I guess I should post here, as I never got around to it...

[Apocalypticat]

mugglemin said:

eloquentphoenix said:

We shoudl write to her, just to say the punctuation used was cruel, it just added insult to injury as she sank our ship. And of course the moments she wrote aren't made up. I hope she comes around to it.

Of course, those of you who are really upset must do what you think best, but please look back at Apocalypticat's post about the punctuation and the possible motivations behind it before you lash out at JK, and definitely give yourselves some time to calm down a bit.

Remember that the written word can be interpreted in various ways (I detected her humour in her answer, while others saw it as irritation).

Remember that this thread may have contributed to her answering the question in the first place - many of us would have been happy enough had it not been asked, but pleanty of us also jumped on the bandwagon and bombarded the site with it. It's not fair to protest just because we don't happen to like the answer to the question WE asked.

I have vague recollections of some of the Harry/Hermione shippers sending savage emails to Leaky Cauldron, just because Jo and Leaky/mugglenet had used the term "delusional" about the ship. As a non-shipper of this ship, I found it funny, but those shippers obviously didn't and protested in a rather dramatic manner! I thought - and still think - they're a bunch of nutters, so think about how your response to JK will make you - and let's face it the rest of us ADMM shippers - look.

And don't despair! All this response is proof that the community is still alive and well, and the ship is still afloat! ADMM fics are still being posted, worked on and updated. It's not going anywhere unless we give up on it.

mugs.x

*applauds loudly* I must say my own muse has revived quite considerably! And what Mugglemin said about the Harmony shippers is exactly what I was worried about. I was on the Chamber of Secrets forums at the time and people were becoming quite unreasonable. I seem to recall people being banned and threads being closed and all that sort of nastiness. I don't think ADMM shippers could ever be like that (we are, after all, the nicest of the ships) but we certainly don't want to risk sounding like it.

I would support a letter to Maggie—just to say that we appreciate her shippy acting! I bet that alone would ensure continuing shippiness in the movies—even if we were totally mum about movies 6 and 7.

[Admiral Sun Wentai]

*going melodramatic* Why JK, why?!

I absolutely and positively don't care what JK said, I will remain a loyal MMAD shipper 'til the very end!

[gingerrose]

Um, folks...I'll probably be crucified for saying this but it's just a ship, created by fans of a fantasy story. It is fiction upon fiction. Honestly, chill out a bit.

[MMADfan]

gingerrose said:

Um, folks...I'll probably be crucified for saying this but it's just a ship, created by fans of a fantasy story. It is fiction upon fiction. Honestly, chill out a bit.

Hey, people are free to freak out and you should be free to inject a bit of sense and sobriety into the discussion without being "crucified"! Here's to a balance between bathos and cold reason! ;D

[gingerrose]

mmadfan said:

gingerrose said:

Um, folks...I'll probably be crucified for saying this but it's just a ship, created by fans of a fantasy story. It is fiction upon fiction. Honestly, chill out a bit.

Hey, people are free to freak out and you should be free to inject a bit of sense and sobriety into the discussion without being "crucified"! Here's to a balance between bathos and cold reason! ;D

Sure, people are more than welcome to freak out. But I have four ulcers, and I can assure you that they aren't fun...just fair warning

[MMADfan]

gingerrose said:

mmadfan said:

Hey, people are free to freak out and you should be free to inject a bit of sense and sobriety into the discussion without being "crucified"! Here's to a balance between bathos and cold reason! ;D

Sure, people are more than welcome to freak out. But I have four ulcers, and I can assure you that they aren't fun...just fair warning

Um, I'm not entirely sure what part of my post you are replying to, but it could be that I was being obscure then or am being obtuse now, so I will restate: 1) no one should "crucify" (i.e., vilify or verbally attack) anyone (in this case, you) for stating an opinion; 2) sense and sobriety are a good thing, IMO; 3) your initial post was one of sense and sobriety; 4) I toast (figuratively, not literally) balance and harmony, including that between overly dramatic emotions and unfeeling logic. So, in sum, I was on your side.

I hope this was more clear.

[gingerrose]

mmadfan said:

gingerrose said:

Sure, people are more than welcome to freak out. But I have four ulcers, and I can assure you that they aren't fun...just fair warning

Um, I'm not entirely sure what part of my post you are replying to, but it could be that I was being obscure then or am being obtuse now, so I will restate: 1) no one should "crucify" (i.e., vilify or verbally attack) anyone (in this case, you) for stating an opinion; 2) sense and sobriety are a good thing, IMO; 3) your initial post was one of sense and sobriety; 4) I toast (figuratively, not literally) balance and harmony, including that between overly dramatic emotions and unfeeling logic. So, in sum, I was on your side.

I hope this was more clear.

LOL! I understood perfectly! And I was trying to state more clearly that it was not my intention to scold anyone (cuz looking back on it, it kinda felt like that's what I was doing), but simply to remind people not to freak out over the little things. It can cause undue stress to the body.
Yikes! ...I sound like my mom...

[Tabby67]

*sniffle .... kicks JKR*
to all of those who say you don't hate her, good for you.
Because I do.

But hey!! My good friend *known as angeldust here* just said this:
she said Snape would never be in love.
see how well that went?

We still have hope!!

*clings to my ADMM flag and shirt*

And yay for you, chudleycannonsfan! You rock the casbah!

[MMADfan]

gingerrose said:

mmadfan said:

Um, I'm not entirely sure what part of my post you are replying to, but it could be that I was being obscure then or am being obtuse now, so I will restate: 1) no one should "crucify" (i.e., vilify or verbally attack) anyone (in this case, you) for stating an opinion; 2) sense and sobriety are a good thing, IMO; 3) your initial post was one of sense and sobriety; 4) I toast (figuratively, not literally) balance and harmony, including that between overly dramatic emotions and unfeeling logic. So, in sum, I was on your side.

I hope this was more clear.

LOL! I understood perfectly! And I was trying to state more clearly that it was not my intention to scold anyone (cuz looking back on it, it kinda felt like that's what I was doing), but simply to remind people not to freak out over the little things. It can cause undue stress to the body.
Yikes! ...I sound like my mom...

Oh, good! Now that I know that you understand what I meant, and I understand what you meant, and we both understand what we each meant together, I can get back to my normal state of confusion and slight obliviousness! Actually, back to writing my little piece of AU MMADness!

(I know, sometimes it's hard to know whether one comes off as scolding or holier-than-thou or on a high horse, or whatever -- I can post something that I mean as just a sort of gentle gesture toward a different way of viewing something, and then I second-guess whether I sounded more prim and school-marmish than I wanted to sound or whatever. Not that I might not be up on my high horse and all school-marmish occasionally, but I try to slap myself down before I get all carried away with my own ego! Haha!)

[TabbyForever]

Awww you know what i'm thinking at the mo....

All I can say is here we go again, another ship totally sunk by the creator...i think so far only one of the ships i sail has gone anywhere and that was Mulder and Scully in the X-files, every single other one of mine has crashed and burned as cannon.

That said all of those ships still have thriving communities build round them that create fiction, art ect ect, so we mustn't let this set back stop us....LONG LIVE ADMM (as well as Grillows, SMacked, DuCaine, Norribeth and all those other none cannon ships you might also support.)

J.xx
Ha...Stick that TPTB!! Hee hee

[EloquentPhoenix]

Oooh I hope nothing I said was taken as JKR-bashing. I still love her, and I'm not angry with her or anything like that. They are her books afterall. I still detected some kind of.. frustration if not irritation. I'd like to write to her about that, and what she actually meant. I accept our ship is sunk, but I'm still sailing.

I've bene feeling uncomfortable with the 'We hate JKR thing' because we don't, none of us do really. beMMADfabulous can accoutn for this in the PM I sent her before even reading this.

I think and hope we're just letting off steam because it hurts to have your ship sunk.

[misshoneychurch88]

It's definatly that "NO YOU'RE WRONG, I HATE YOU FOREVER NOW WAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" in itaital reaction, which while not true nad rather irrational, feels fantastic for a while

I'm all for even headedness, but one must freak out periodically, and I think this was as just a cause as any, really, having something you beleive in crushed, but now we are all coming round to the rational end of things, thankfully.

[beMMADfabulous]

eloquentphoenix said:

I've bene feeling uncomfortable with the 'We hate JKR thing' because we don't, none of us do really. beMMADfabulous can accoutn for this in the PM I sent her before even reading this.

I think and hope we're just letting off steam because it hurts to have your ship sunk.

Yep, you're totally right. I don't think any of us really hate JK for it. It just helps to blow off some steam for us to say silly stuff about all of this. I know it's made me feel loads better! No harm done.

[Drake]

I agree. The JKR bashing is silly. as was the "OMG, no ADMM in DH, I was sooooo disapointed! I mean, for SRS, I spent $24.95 on this f***in' book, I was so ripped off!!!11" I mean, really girls, was there EVER any ADMM in the books?
For me, any ill feelings I had were mostly "Jeez Louise, JKR, it's my BIRTHDAY, couldn't you wait a few hours to drop the bomb?"

And the fact that she was basically said "That's silly. You shippers are so silly and have totally unfounded beliefs." sort of miffed me.

But I knew we weren't canon. So truly, I care not.

We need to stop taking ourselves so seriously. It's fandom, not international politics.

[Pingpongfreak]

As much as I had hoped we were canon, I knew in the back of my mind we weren't. I thought we were a lot more canon than others (Hagrid/Snape =]), but I didn't really expect an honest "Yes."

But I didn't expect a flat out (and rather pissed) "No" either.

I don't hate or bash JKR, but we definately aren't best friends right now. But I'll get over it. =]]

[chudleycannonsfan]

Well, you know, things could be worse. Jo could have been like, "No of course not! McGonagall and Hagrid have been an item since their Hogwarts days when Professor Merrythought walked in on them snogging in the Room of Requirements. Didn't the Christmas kiss in Philospher's Stone tip you off?"Or perhaps even more terrifying..."No, there's a Colonel McGonagall. They're entirely devoted to each other and spend their Saturday evenings writing letters to their twenty-seven grandchildren." In other words, we're really in the same position we were before she said anything.