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Post by miyabinohana on Oct 22, 2007 17:01:25 GMT -5
Hi gays,
Everyone shocked JKfs second attack to our ship and said something about Dumbledorefs sexuality or what if Minerva and Albus grew up their relationship after GG....
But, Wait everyone. What about Minerva? JK had never mentioned Minervafs private life and history. It was an horrible idea I and my partner Naga talked this morning on PM that Minerva was a typical Scottish woman, who was strict, who was a horrible scrooge and only had interest to teaching and money and who had no sexual interest or something like that (Sorry for language, but I have no harm or ill intention to Scottish).
Should we ask JK Minervafs story or shouldnft we if we had a chance to ask her? I only hope JK would never say some kind of horrible things and she could give a story what she would deserve.
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Post by ιady ταвz on Oct 22, 2007 18:07:39 GMT -5
yea i wanna know about Min too, she's so underrated =[
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Post by StormAngel on Oct 22, 2007 19:39:33 GMT -5
I want to know about Min too... She's being neglected...
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Post by Hogwarts Duo on Oct 23, 2007 7:05:29 GMT -5
**The main reason for this post: TONIGHT (10/23) at 8pm on the East Coast...Bill O'Reilly on the Fox News Channel is going to do a segment on JKR"s "outing" of Dumbledore. From the clip they showed, he seemed to have much of the same opinions as most of us here..."Why did she wait until now to say he's gay since she has SEVEN books in which to do that???" I do not know the content of his segment nor do I know his true thoughts on the subject, just what I saw on the commercial this morning so don't blame or flame for his thoughts on the subject. After reading all of the discussions here and having private chats with friends (both gay and straight), I have to say that I really don't give a rats...well you know how the phrase goes...what JKR thinks anymore. She's written her seven books and created a wonderful world in which we are allowed to play. Anything beyond book seven, to me, is just her feeble attempts to keep things in the spotlight or to try and dictate the way we interperet her characters since she no longer has the power of the pen. As for Hogwarts Duo...we fully intend to continue writing our ADMM stories as long as there are people here who would like to read them. I find it hard to believe that out of seven books, JKR couldn't find an opportunity, or to create one, in which she sheds more light onto Albus' past, especially since the woman has admitted to having read fanfics, etc. She knows the sort of stories that are out there so she had to know that everyone's personal life was fair game for fanfiction writers. For me (and this Ang speaking) everything beyond book five is just a weird tangent she decided to explore. I didn't like books six or seven and you won't find them being used in any of our stories. That's just our little quirk.  Anyway, I wanted to let you know of the Bill O'Reilly segment tonight. Hope everyone has a great day!!!
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Post by pol on Oct 23, 2007 8:56:41 GMT -5
You know, Dumbledore being gay doesn't change anything about the fandom for me. Others have said this too and I concur; fandom is there for imagination, for possibilities. You don't need ADMM to be canon to have it in your life.
What has got under my skin about this whole thing is that it feels so token. I know JKR has said she's thought of Dumbledore as gay for some time and to that extent I'm sure she's written his motivations with that in mind. But at the end of the day, to announce things so definitively and retrospectively like this serves no purpose other than causing a stir. If it was so important for the world to know that Dumbledore was gay, it would have (or, I guess, *should* have) been written in canon. If it wasn't, then there's really no need for her to bring it up now, is there?
I'm just frustrated. I feel that this is cheap sensationalism, with that added token-gay aspect, just to round things out.
I'm probably overreacting, to I'm irritated.
And that's where I stand on the whole thing.
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Post by minerva62 on Oct 23, 2007 13:13:16 GMT -5
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...She's written her seven books and created a wonderful world in which we are allowed to play...
...everything beyond book five is just a weird tangent she decided to explore. I didn't like books six or seven ...
I so totally agree with you, Ang!!!! Keep on your wonderful, brilliant work! I'm looking forward to it !!! |
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Post by MinervaMcGonagall on Oct 23, 2007 13:50:37 GMT -5
I admire JKR for what she did especially with people such as Fred Phelps around. Economically, it was smart of her to wait until after the books were released. Yeah, people are going to be offended, but who cares? I'm glad she did. It's nice to have a strong homosexual character.
I will still ship ADMM though. I've got a great idea for a new fanfic which I will write in class this afternoon.
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Post by ιady ταвz on Oct 23, 2007 15:19:52 GMT -5
i completely agree with Hogwarts Duo, youve voiced the thoughts i have had but couldnt explain in words. I disliked books 6 and 7 as well and they just seemed to upset the flow of HP kinda for me, they were so unlike the other books to me.
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Post by Drake on Oct 23, 2007 15:35:58 GMT -5
Actually AD's being gay fits in w/ various character traits. And I don't mean the fabulous robes <g>. It would account *in part* for the constant championing of the outcast and scorned--most GLBT folks I know, once they have truly accepted their own sexuality as a given rather than a choice, quickly connect the dots between heterosexism/homophobia and racism and sexism as all being varieties of the same basic error and become strong advocates for racial justice and sexual equality and against oppression. But *sometimes* capable of great sympathy for the oppressors, b/c they once agreed w/ them and hated themselves. OK dude, wow. YES. EXACTLY. |
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Oct 23, 2007 17:50:15 GMT -5
*Can't cope and is in denial*
I'm going to have a really big rant about this tomorrow. I thought I felt better, since thinking about ADMM fluff no longer was ruined by big flashing 'Yes but he's gay' letters in my mind.
Anyone who is happy about it. I hate you. Well. I don't. But I half do and I will NEVER be happy about it, and I'm always going to remain happy and in denial in my happily-ever-after world of HE ISN'T GAY OR DEAD with my OTP of ADMM.
And I'd hate JKR for saying it, but I can't even do that. So he's just not gay, not in my world.
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Post by beMMADfabulous on Oct 23, 2007 18:08:38 GMT -5
*Can't cope and is in denial* I'm going to have a really big rant about this tomorrow. I thought I felt better, since thinking about ADMM fluff no longer was ruined by big flashing 'Yes but he's gay' letters in my mind. Anyone who is happy about it. I hate you. Well. I don't. But I half do and I will NEVER be happy about it, and I'm always going to remain happy and in denial in my happily-ever-after world of HE ISN'T GAY OR DEAD with my OTP of ADMM. And I'd hate JKR for saying it, but I can't even do that. So he's just not gay, not in my world. *HUGS YOU* I love you, Elo, I really do. lol You make me feel better about this because I know I'm NOT the only one!! ;D |
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Post by mugglemin on Oct 23, 2007 18:47:58 GMT -5
I think it's perfectly fine to NOT be ok about it. I think that's what's good about her NOT making it obvious in the books - it's up to you in the end. I think her words were something like "I've always thought of him as gay..." Well, those are her thoughts, not yours/mine and not indicated in canon. As Pol says, the joy of fanfic and fandom is the opportunity to let your imagination take your favourite characters wherever you choose.
Personally, though, I'm only bothered about it because all of the men I love are gay, and I never fall for the straight ones!! And I have fallen for Albus. He's my Mr Perfect...
Other than that, I'm not bothered at all. It certainly adds weight to the deep friendship idea between him and Minerva, which I really relate to as most of my closest friends are gay. And anyway, sexuality is propbably a swinging scale for most of us, it's just society that insists we stick to one or the other. He may have loved Gellert deeply, but that doesn't mean he never loved Minerva too!
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Oct 24, 2007 5:52:09 GMT -5
Right. Here goes nothing.
We've taken a fair bit of beating on our little ship. Firstly, half of our ship got killed, then our ship was sunk, and finally the aforementioned dead half of the ship is apparently gay and in love with some evil dark lord from forever ago. Ouch. Is all I can say to that. It was like, okay, Albus is dead but we can cope with that since Albus and Min could have had many happy years before that and it gave all our angst writers a nice opening for it. And stopped some people writing but there we go. Mind you, that angst opening is nothing like now, eh Min? And everyone else who said the angst bunnies were already hopping. Then, Jo sank our ship, that's the knife going in. Now a few months down the line the knife twists and now Albus is gay. I feel betrayed, not by Jo don't get me wrong, but by myself. Should have seen that one coming. I think I need to beat my gaydar back into shape, though it usually serves me well in RL and stops too much RL angst. Though I think the reason I didn't see this coming is because I saw Albus' and Gellart's relationship similar to the relationship I have with my best friend now. Not on purpose, completely subconsciously until now. You see, those letters, that closeness is the kind of thing that I have with my friend. And I am so not his type as I’m far too female, and generally, like I said, my gaydar keeps me away from gay guys in that way. Even though half of my male friends are gay. Anyway, I'm going off the point. It hurt a lot, especially the shock.
At first when I was sat and I read it on Sprink’s Xanga, well, I didn’t exactly read it. I read that she was coming to terms with Albus’ sexuality. And since this was Saturday and I’d been on holiday away from you all having to pay 1 euro to go on the Internet for 15 minutes I hadn’t been on. So I had only a little time left and I panicked, as you might imagine. I rushed to Mugglenet and read it. I wanted to scream and cry and laugh and throw something heavy and expensive from a high window. Or throw my iPod in the pool since it kept playing songs like Nothing’s gonna stop us now and other lovely happy love songs. And everything I’ve ever considered writing an Albus and Minerva Songfic to. Then I couldn’t even think ADMM. I wished I hadn’t read it. Though I was glad I had because I would have got the news unceremoniously from my mum 10 minutes later when she read it in the paper. As ever, I’m thankful for small mercies. Just as I’m thankful the ship was already suck before Jo outed Albus also without ceremony.
Though, I have no blame at all for JKR. In fact I won't hear a word against her at all. I don't see it as a publicity stunt, like she needs any more publicity (!) and obviously she didn't do any of this to spite us. It was just unfortunate for us. It's probably the worst beating any ship has got from her, however accidental it was. I don't recall anything this bad for any ship. And it's worse because we already knew it wasn't canon, it's just that little bit harder for us now. If I weren’t a shipper I’d be pleased that she hadn’t ignored that gay people do exist and that at least she had some, or one, in the books. Though it would have been better in the books there was never a moment for it since we only ever know what Harry knows. And he’s always been clueless and oblivious. But it was said. Not I don’t think for anything to do with the fact that gay people exist or gay rights, he just so happened to be gay. Right from the start like she said. Still, not hearing any word against her.
I worried I would never write again. Panic not, I will do. Denial is the way forwards. Because as I said before I would recall a bit of ADMM fluff and big flashing letters saying Albus is gay would flash across my mind. If I was having that problem with fluff I kept my mind well clear of any lemons. Though, yesterday, that faded a little and my heart is healing itself slowly and building a new wall of denial. And, what's the harm in denial really? I think it's just that I wanted so much for it to be canon. More than I can say because it's the canon that I love. Not fanon, not made up bollocks about random ships like Albus and Gellart, honestly! Oh. Wait...
Though I think it was Sprinkles who asked what about the rest of Albus’ life? Would he remain loveless? Unlikely I think. Though I’m having none of this bi nonsense. Sorry. If he were bi she’d have said bi, not gay. And in my world of denial Albus is both straight and alive. My ADMM world and the real canon HP world barely mix anymore, I’m not even trying to mix them because I can see quite plainly that they don’t and trying to will make it worse. I’d rather forget his death and sexuality altogether than try to force a myth of bisexuality, ADMM and happily-ever-after into my canon HP head. Happily-ever-after ADMM with a straight and alive Albus belongs in my heart and will remain there. Another reason why I won’t give up writing ADMM. That I have one angst scenario canon (!) fic in mind. Then I’m giving up foraying into angst most definitely on a writing scale because that was always semi-canon and can’t be anymore.
So, to sum up all of this rubbish I’ve spouted as personal therapy:
Denial is the way forwards.
I’m giving up angst.
Canon and ADMM fanon will no longer mix for me and Albus isn’t bi.
ADMM to the end.
I don’t hate or blame JKR, as much as I would like to. And this wasn’t done to spite us.
I’m not happy at all.
But onwards my friends, even though we’re down to our last lifeboat with a little ADMM flag on it.
I’m going to drown myself in ADMM fluff and lemons and catch up on RaM.
And I’m going to write some fluff hopefully.
Oh yeah, I forgot one I was thinking the whole time I’ve just been pissed off at this. Because that’s what’s been my main emotion and it’s understandable since I was alone dealing with this. So my first and last thought:
For fuck’s sake, he’s just not gay!
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Post by StormAngel on Oct 24, 2007 6:55:44 GMT -5
For fuck’s sake, he’s just not gay! Lol... I utterly agree with you. I don't know about others, but most of my friends so far agrees with me that he is not gay... (They only watched the movies).Dumbledore being gay is just not Dumbledore... Disconcerting really... |
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Post by alter.ego.alana on Oct 24, 2007 8:03:20 GMT -5
Personally, though, I'm only bothered about it because all of the men I love are gay, and I never fall for the straight ones!! And I have fallen for Albus. He's my Mr Perfect... I understand COMPLETELY. And...I completely agree with Elo. Not gay. Nope. Not at all. Let's continue viewing Albus as the straight eccentric fashionista that we've all come to know and love. =) |
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Post by ιady ταвz on Oct 24, 2007 15:20:20 GMT -5
wow EloquentPhoenix, that was really heartfelt and i empathize with you, completely. Youre not alone. Im in a state of denial as well.
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Post by mcgonagallrocks on Oct 24, 2007 21:38:16 GMT -5
I'm in denial and being made fun of at school  My math teacher came back today (he's been sick) We get in there and have a conversation about Saw 1/2/3/4 VS HP (i was not in the begining of this btw) well I made comment 'Saw 1/2/3 sucked what makes you think 4 is gonna be any better?' My 'supposed' best friend Morgan stars in 'all you watch is harry potter and write that stuipd fanfiction crap and live in your fantasty that that old chick and Dumbledore are married' by this time I was getting just slightly just SLIGHTLY mind you upset by her not only did she call Min 'that old chick' but she called fanfiction dumb  and everyone else becaus they were laughing. By now Mr Gerlach (math teacher dude) comes in 'you do know he's gay right' well i start in 'HE'S NOT GAY! If he's not straight he's bi thank you. He's married to Minerva happily I might add. Rowling is in denial because ADMMers know the truth!' (had my new ADMM shirt on too says ADMM LOVER AND PROUD OF IT!) Then Mr Gerlach says 'She's the author' 'I don't care he's bi or straight take your pic' 'She's the author' 'Do I look like I care?' 'He's gay' 'He is not read the shirt' |
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Post by gingerrose on Oct 25, 2007 0:05:31 GMT -5
SQUEE!!!
Okay, while I love AD/MM, I must admit I've always had a soft spot for AD/GG. I'm kind of happy that it's cannon.
That being said, I'm not gonna stop writing AD/MM. It's all in good fun, after all...
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Post by Rachel on Oct 25, 2007 13:56:16 GMT -5
Oh God.All I can say. I'm actually very very pleased that there is a gay character in Harry Potter,and well done JK for having one.When you consider the amount of characters there has to be at least one gay/lesbian person,and it's about time someone was revealed. It's just...why did it have to be Albus ? Of all the people!I mean,is it not enough that Albus was already dead and the ship was already sunk?Did we have to have even more heaped on top?Apparently so. I'm absolutely flipping out. I would be so so happy if it was anyone else.It could have been Sirius,couldn't it?Sirius never went on about women,it was all James/Remus/Harry with him.In fact if you'd said to me "Pick the gay character in HP" I would have said Sirius,or Peter,because of the whole hero-worship thing he had with James. But Albus?I thought he was just eccentric!As in "He's a genius!But he is a bit mad,yes." Not gay. Never gay.It never even crossed my mind,and one of my favourite ships of all time is a lesbian ship. This is one thing too many.I don't hate JKR but I am so pissed off with her right now. The thing I am having most trouble with is the words she used to sink our ship "Not everyone was in love with everyone else." Why didn't she say "No,because Albus was actually gay" back then,a few months ago,if she "always thought he was gay"? |
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Post by EloquentPhoenix on Oct 25, 2007 14:46:07 GMT -5
Oh God, I'm actually glad she didn't sink our ship and tell us he was gay at the same time, I'm not sure I could have coped with that double blow.
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Post by alter.ego.alana on Oct 26, 2007 8:06:49 GMT -5
Oh God, I'm actually glad she didn't sink our ship and tell us he was gay at the same time, I'm not sure I could have coped with that double blow. *shudders* I would've DIED. |
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Post by fwooper on Oct 26, 2007 14:58:20 GMT -5
Personally I love reading fanfiction (especially ADMM!) but find the idea of canon a bit ridiculous. Fanfiction wouldn't be half as interesting if they all follwed the books. Anyway, when I heard *dramatic drumroll* 'the news' I wasn't particularly disappointed but then I never saw ADMM as something that happened in the book but more as something that happens in fanfiction.
I've probably came off sounding really unsympathetic, hmm... my conscience is a bit busy at the moment but when its less busy I'll consult it with this issue.
-Fwooper
(Who really isn't as cold-hearted as she sounds and does feel some sympathy.)
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Post by mcgonagallrocks on Oct 26, 2007 18:46:55 GMT -5
I always saw it happening in the books but just in certian places. When Min had her little speech in book 6 about a little more love in the world and during the thing in Dumbly's office in book 5 it was really ADMMish to me oh yha and where we meet them in book 1. I cried wehn I found out. The fact I've been wearing ADMM shirts to school lately not helping my cause with people not not teasing me they're shuch asses.
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Post by DaBao on Oct 27, 2007 0:27:31 GMT -5
I'm just so upset. Now that our ship has sunk... It doesn't matter! I've sunk with the ship and am floating along the waters with pieces of the ship I could salvage. In my heart ADMM lives on. I agree with Rachel though, I'm glad there was a gay character, but WHY?!?! Oh WHY did it have to be Albus??!?
Argh, he's not gay. I'm not in denial. Albus is bi. He fell in love with GG when he was a teenager, but everntually got over it and fell in love with Minerva McGonagall. He still cares for GG of course, but he loves Minerva. End of Story.
ALBUS AND MINERVA BELONG TOGETHER!!!
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Post by beMMADfabulous on Oct 28, 2007 16:37:14 GMT -5
(Well, the hardcore Christians still hate us, but they hate Harry Potter. They don't count.) I hate that stereotype.. Both the one about "hardcore" Christians and the one about how "evil" Harry Potter is. I'm very much a Christian, and you see I don't think Harry Potter is evil. People that think it's evil obviously have never read it. And true Christians don't hate anyone. Yes, I'm done. I apologize. |
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Post by ιady ταвz on Oct 28, 2007 17:54:00 GMT -5
EXACTLY! My daddy is a PRIEST! for merlin's sake and i dont hate anything about Harry potter, in fact i LOVE it! duh . . . but i dont think those are real true Christians since Christ says to love your enemies and accept everything as it is. And they dont seem to have any ounce of tolerance for anything with magic in it. Its pure ignorance to me what they get on with.
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Post by mcgonagallrocks on Oct 31, 2007 6:02:42 GMT -5
My step... well exstepdad (mommy got a divorice i'm happy) was one of those hardcore I hate Harry Potter Christan type people so I asked him flat out one day 'why do you hate Harry Potter? It's not like it's real or anything for goodness' sake' so he sat there a minute pulled out his bible and pointed to the verse that says 'Thou shalt' suffer a witch to live' Ok WHO THE HELL CARES! Yes I'm Christian yes I believe in God and Jesus and all that but it's fanasty for pete's sake. Someone plese expalin to me what the verse 'Thou shalt suffer a witch to live' has anything to do with likeing HP yes they used it as an excuse to kill people thougought history but there is a difference between fanasty books and real life (not that those people should have died either but you know what I'm saying) So the news of Dumbly's supposed gayness came though oh about three days before the divoirce was final so I was over at his house (the exstepdad's house) about three hours after I found out he comes in 'See just another sign it's unChristanlike to read those books'... My stepbrother is gay (yes this guys own kid) is gay and he doesn't have a problem with it. So what's wrong with it being in HP (other than the small fact it was Albus ) |
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Post by mmadcrazyfan on Nov 1, 2007 19:06:15 GMT -5
actually, i think that harry potter scares people
because its diferent
and people are naturally afaid of different things
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Post by alter.ego.alana on Nov 8, 2007 13:24:27 GMT -5
This article just ran in my college's newspaper: img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/kaima7/scan0001.pngJust more discussion on Dumbledore's sexuality. Just when I think I've accepted that our ship isn't canon, and then BAM! A reminder pops up in somewhere unexpected. Jeez. Can't people just leave us in our dream world? =) |
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Post by beMMADfabulous on Nov 8, 2007 18:12:15 GMT -5
Rowling is still dead to me. I hoped it would have gotten better.  Oh well. |
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My math teacher came back today (he's been sick) We get in there and have a conversation about Saw 1/2/3/4 VS HP (i was not in the begining of this btw) well I made comment 'Saw 1/2/3 sucked what makes you think 4 is gonna be any better?' My 'supposed' best friend Morgan stars in 'all you watch is harry potter and write that stuipd fanfiction crap and live in your fantasty that that old chick and Dumbledore are married' by this time I was getting just slightly just SLIGHTLY mind you upset by her not only did she call Min 'that old chick' but she called fanfiction dumb 
and everyone else becaus they were laughing. By now Mr Gerlach (math teacher dude) comes in 'you do know he's gay right' well i start in 'HE'S NOT GAY! If he's not straight he's bi thank you. He's married to Minerva happily I might add. Rowling is in denial because ADMMers know the truth!' (had my new ADMM shirt on too says ADMM LOVER AND PROUD OF IT!) 
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Oh well.